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PostSubject: Francis Walsingham spy master.   Francis Walsingham spy master. EmptySat 06 Feb 2021, 20:02

There is a lot said and written about Queen Elizabeth I. but here I want to focus on elizabeth's spy master: Francis Walsingham.

I saw today a documentary about him on the French-German TV ARTE. In fact I discovered that it was an English language documentary.
https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/061725-000-A/elisabeth-ire-au-service-secret-de-sa-majeste/
https://www.amazon.com/Elizabeth-I-Terror-Mark-Fielder/dp/B01MQUDFTF

If I recall it well I did already research about Walsinghem for my thread "Spions" as being at the start of the secret service in the world.
I think he came also on the spotlight in the discussion from MM about the Catholic priests risking their lives for Catholic masses
on secret locations. Risking their lives I said. And it had to taken literally as once catched they were tortured to death (where even nowadays "specialists" can take an example at. As on the end put them in boiling lead (if I recall it well. I have to seek for the thread again).
And the priests lives were never save. Many times they had to hide sometimes during days in so called "trous de prêtres" (holes for priests?)
See about it in the French language dubbed documentary here above mentioned starting from 16 min 40 sec...


But back to the master spy:
https://programmetv.ouest-france.fr/documentaire/elisabeth-ire-au-service-secret-de-sa-majeste-91403816/
Ses méthodes ont encore cours de nos jours dans les milieux du renseignement, des messages codés à la diffusion de fausses informations en passant par le retournement de partisans du camp adverse
(His methods are still used today in intelligence circles, from coded messages to the dissemination of false information to the reversal of supporters of the opposing camp)

From the BBC history site:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/tudors/spying_01.shtml
"Walsingham had studied as a lawyer and was intelligent, serious and disciplined. He held strong Protestant beliefs, and had gone to live abroad during the reign of the Catholic Mary I. But when Protestantism was re-established under Elizabeth I, he returned to England and became Secretary of State in 1568. Quick-witted and ruthless, he was soon playing a critical role in intelligence-gathering operations. Without the other commitments which had taken up much of Cecil's time, Walsingham could devote himself to overseeing Elizabeth's secret service.
This he did with zeal. He was strict, almost Puritan in his religious beliefs, and passionate about protecting the country from Catholic threat. Spies were posted to live abroad who could supply him with intelligence on the politics and attitudes of Catholic countries towards England. This information enabled Walsingham to piece together, for example, the policy of the Pope towards Elizabeth. Armed also with information from spies based in this country, Walsingham could trace lines of communication between Catholics here and abroad, and keep track of any plots."
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PostSubject: Re: Francis Walsingham spy master.   Francis Walsingham spy master. EmptySun 07 Feb 2021, 15:57

Francis Walsingham’s zealousness can perhaps be explained by looking at his early career and particularly the time he spent in exile during the reign of Mary Tudor. A year of that time (1555-6) was spent at the University of Padua and this period bears investigation.
 
Padua, an inland city of the Venetian Republic, was surrounded by impressive ramparts which had been built following the War of the League of Cambrai when the city had briefly fallen to Imperial (Holy Roman) forces backed by France, Castile and the Papacy (the full set of Catholic powers as it were). Arriving just a generation later, Walsingham would have sensed that the citizens had a feeling of being under siege and that threats from the Holy Roman Empire and/or France could arise at any moment. Not only that, but the Venetian Republic also faced growing pressure on its eastern borders from the expanding Ottoman Empire which in the 16th Century was becoming more successful at naval warfare. As long as the Ottoman Empire had remained a land-based, military power then the Venetians had been confident in their dealings with it even to the extent of basically ignoring it and continuing to trade with Greece, the Levant, Constantinople and thru to the Black Sea. Now, however, Venetian pre-eminence at sea was no longer assured and the Republic felt threatened on 2 fronts.      
      
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(Drawing by Canaletto of Padua and its ramparts which had been constructed 2 centuries earlier and which would have been brand new when Walsingham arrived in 1555.) 

The Padua which Walsingham spent time in therefore would have been nominally ‘catholic’ but would also have been deeply distrustful, if not resentful, of its treatment by the Papacy and the other Catholic powers. And during Walsingham’s year in Padua, 2 significant news events would reach him and his fellow students in the faculty of law which would have had a profound impact upon them.
 
Firstly, in September 1555 the Peace of Augsburg between the Holy Roman Empire and the Schmalkaldic League brought an end to the sectional war in Germany but enshrined sectarian rule in doing so. The principle of cuius regio, eius religio ‘in whose realm, goes his religion’ was a victory for Protestantism in that it put it on a equal footing with Catholicism in law, but was a set-back for individual freedom in that the concept of religious conformity was established as the ideal set-up for each state. In short, if your ruler shared your religion and you liked it that way, then you’d better make sure that someone of the other side didn’t succeed in their place. This would have been quite depressing for a protestant exile such as Walsingham with the catholic Mary Tudor on the throne in England. 

Walsingham’s depression would have been turned to outrage, however, by the second major news story to reach him in Padua which came 6 months later. This was in March 1556 with the news from England that the aged protestant Archbishop Thomas Cranmer had been tried and burned at the stake for heresy despite having recanted. This was seemingly at odds with canon law but the Papacy had already washed its hands of Cranmer on an ecclesiastical level and had handed his fate over to the temporal authorities. One can well imagine that the 23-year-old student in Padua along with his fellows would have been seething at the injustice of this. Walsingham and Cranmer were also both Cambridge alumni and with the trial and execution having taken place in Oxford, this may well have compounded his feelings. The story of Cranmer’s last-minute, scaffold-retraction of his recantation and his refutation of the pope would, perhaps, have provided some comfort to Walsingham. But, lawyer or not, in the debate of Catholicism v Protestantism, who he saw as being ‘the goodies’ and who ‘the baddies’ would likely to have been set and hardened in Walsingham’s mind around this time.
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PostSubject: Re: Francis Walsingham spy master.   Francis Walsingham spy master. EmptySun 07 Feb 2021, 16:56

Thank you so much, Vizzer, for your exellent background about Walsingham's former experiences and motivation. And in an English language, which level of excellence I will never achieve, nor your narration style...

Yes the principle of "Cuius regio eius religio", which lead to civil wars in the many German regions to establish the religion of the ruler, which led to the Thirty Years' war ending in one third of the population killed in that struggle in the HRE heartland.
When one compares with the 9 French religious wars, apart for the Bartholomeus night, there was at least less bloodshed.

I spoke about the cruelty of the Catholic priests, when catched in Catholic hiding houses in England and their eventual torture, as I seem to recall from a discussion with MM about it, atrocities that we are not used to and where one has to transpose oneself in those times to perhaps understand it. Perhaps because people were used to such in their eyes "normal" atrocities?
But that's perhaps a subject for another thread...

About medieval torture I visited once as a youngster the "Gravenkasteel" (duke castle?) at Ghent
https://www.traveldarkly.com/gravensteen-castle-and-torture-museum-ghent-belgium/

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And even overthere in the 18th century the "Guillotine" that better (or more "human"?)  for the "patient" in comparison with hanging, not to speak from burning at the stake...

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KInd regards, Paul.
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