A discussion forum for history enthusiasts everywhere
 
HomeHome  Recent ActivityRecent Activity  FAQFAQ  RegisterRegister  Log inLog in  SearchSearch  

Share | 
 

 Fakers, Faking it and Faked

View previous topic View next topic Go down 
Go to page : Previous  1, 2
AuthorMessage
LadyinRetirement
Censura


Posts : 1155
Join date : 2013-09-16

PostSubject: Re: Fakers, Faking it and Faked   Fri 29 Jun 2018, 12:36

This thread has gone quiet but I liked it.  Anyway, I decided to have a look at the Museum of Hoaxes website again, mainly because I wanted to lighten my mood because the news often seems so gloomy these days.  Anyway, this item about eggs being artificially "dirtied" for the good people of the Netherlands back in the 1970s because folk were suspicious of the factory-cleaned eggs appearing in the supermarket made me chuckle.  [url=hoaxes.org/weblog/comments/artificial_dirty_eggs]hoaxes.org/weblog/comments/artificial_dirty_eggs[/url]
Back to top Go down
PaulRyckier
Censura
avatar

Posts : 2547
Join date : 2012-01-01
Location : Belgium

PostSubject: Re: Fakers, Faking it and Faked   Fri 29 Jun 2018, 22:58

@LadyinRetirement wrote:
This thread has gone quiet but I liked it.  Anyway, I decided to have a look at the Museum of Hoaxes website again, mainly because I wanted to lighten my mood because the news often seems so gloomy these days.  Anyway, this item about eggs being artificially "dirtied" for the good people of the Netherlands back in the 1970s because folk were suspicious of the factory-cleaned eggs appearing in the supermarket made me chuckle.  [url=hoaxes.org/weblog/comments/artificial_dirty_eggs]hoaxes.org/weblog/comments/artificial_dirty_eggs[/url]

Lady,

I will not abhor you with stories how my family let north sea shrimps view as fresh cooked and just fished from the North Sea and cooked on board of the ship...
uncooked

cooked



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crangon_crangon


Kind regards from Paul.
Back to top Go down
Caro
Censura
avatar

Posts : 1175
Join date : 2012-01-09

PostSubject: Re: Fakers, Faking it and Faked   Sun 01 Jul 2018, 06:00

The egg story reminds me of how people used to (still do?) artificially brighten yolks so they would appear to be like farm ones with bright yellow yolks.  Now we either get our eggs from our son's hens or buy free range ones (though how free range they really are is a moot point, certainly not running around the farms like ours used to).
Back to top Go down
Vizzer
Censura
avatar

Posts : 972
Join date : 2012-05-12

PostSubject: Re: Fakers, Faking it and Faked   Sun 01 Jul 2018, 13:00

@Caro wrote:
I remember the fuss about John Stonehouse.  Odd the things you remember compared to the things you forget.  If you just mentioned his name I wouldn't have been able to say what he was known for, but when the details are given to me, it all comes back.

Same here Caro. Neither had I appreciated that Stonehouse and Lucan had disappeared within a fortnite of each other as Meles pointed out. And only 11 months later came the shooting of the Great Dane dog in the keep of Norman Scott former lover of Jeremy Thorpe MP. It seems that the mid-1970s saw some spectacular personal melt-downs among quite a few members of the UK ruling class.
Back to top Go down
Dirk Marinus
Praetor
avatar

Posts : 124
Join date : 2016-02-03

PostSubject: Re: Fakers, Faking it and Faked   Mon 02 Jul 2018, 21:42

rReading  through the topic and seeing it is all about faking, fake news etc what are your thoughts on the alleged chemical attacks in other words the one in Douma (Syria) April 7 2018 and the alleged poisoning of the Russian spy and his daughter in Salisbury England.


As far as the Douma attack is concerned OPCW chemical weapons inspectors have been visiting the side but what was their verdict.

About the Salisbury poisoning incident yes fingers were pointed to Russia but what is the truth?

Anyway about the Douma chemical attack have a read through :

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-the-truth-what-really-happened-in-douma-11342067



Dirk
Back to top Go down
PaulRyckier
Censura
avatar

Posts : 2547
Join date : 2012-01-01
Location : Belgium

PostSubject: Re: Fakers, Faking it and Faked   Tue 03 Jul 2018, 23:21

@Caro wrote:
The egg story reminds me of how people used to (still do?) artificially brighten yolks so they would appear to be like farm ones with bright yellow yolks.  Now we either get our eggs from our son's hens or buy free range ones (though how free range they really are is a moot point, certainly not running around the farms like ours used to).

 Caro,

how do they that artificially? Don't get me started on North Sea scrimps...

Kind regards from Paul.
Back to top Go down
PaulRyckier
Censura
avatar

Posts : 2547
Join date : 2012-01-01
Location : Belgium

PostSubject: Re: Fakers, Faking it and Faked   Tue 03 Jul 2018, 23:25

@Dirk Marinus wrote:
rReading  through the topic and seeing it is all about faking, fake news etc what are your thoughts on the alleged chemical attacks in other words the one in Douma (Syria) April 7 2018 and the alleged poisoning of the Russian spy and his daughter in Salisbury England.


As far as the Douma attack is concerned OPCW chemical weapons inspectors have been visiting the side but what was their verdict.

About the Salisbury poisoning incident yes fingers were pointed to Russia but what is the truth?

Anyway about the Douma chemical attack have a read through :

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-the-truth-what-really-happened-in-douma-11342067



Dirk

 Dirk, as I studied it all a bit in depth on the French forum Passion Histoire I will comment tomorrow.

Kind regards from Paul.
Back to top Go down
PaulRyckier
Censura
avatar

Posts : 2547
Join date : 2012-01-01
Location : Belgium

PostSubject: Re: Fakers, Faking it and Faked   Thu 05 Jul 2018, 21:57

Dirk,

thanks for the article. It depicts exactly the controversies of to day news. And it is all in our common memory when we were at the BBC messageboard, Tony Blair's weapons of mass destruction and the suicide of the British scientist in connection with the case.
The red thread (de rode draad) through the two poison gas incidents is in my opinion that Assad was winning...on the latest so-called attack with represailles of the US, the UK and France was within hours of victory...as the same in the first so called attack...why oh why would he then use poison gas as normal bombing is as effective not to say more effective...I thought Assad is perhaps a tyrant, but I don't think he is stupid, nor the Russians present overthere...
And the so called "attacks" happened each time when the rebels needed the ultimate support of the West (and Saudi-Arabia) to survive...
Will tomorrow comment the UK poisining and in our Belgium the Iranian plot...

Kind regards from Paul.
Back to top Go down
LadyinRetirement
Censura
avatar

Posts : 1155
Join date : 2013-09-16

PostSubject: Re: Fakers, Faking it and Faked   Wed 08 Aug 2018, 15:05

There is a school of thought that thinks the scientist who committed suicide after the "weapons of mass destruction" controversy was murdered.  I don't know either way.  He was treated somewhat shabbily I feel because his scholarship was belittled.  I mentioned somewhere on the site but can't recall where that the scientific community in the UK spoke out and said that his scholarship was NOT rubbish but sound. In a lighter vein I found something on Wikipedia about some hoaxes pulled off by students back in the day "The Dreadnaught Hoax" and the "Zanzibar Hoax".  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreadnought_hoax

Moreover there was the undercover reporter also known as the "fake sheikh".  He did uncover some corrupt practice but did end up in prison.  https://www.theguardian.com/.../fake-sheikh-mazher-mahmood-exposed-own-sting
Back to top Go down
LadyinRetirement
Censura
avatar

Posts : 1155
Join date : 2013-09-16

PostSubject: Re: Fakers, Faking it and Faked   Sat 11 Aug 2018, 16:38

I mentioned something about 'lookalikes' on another thread and association of ideas made me think of times when one person has impersonated another.  Quite a well-known one is the Martin Guerre one (I'm not going to go into detail about it because it is well-known and there have been dramatisations of the story over the years but I will link to the Wikipedia entry on the subject.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Guerre  (Apologies if this has been mentioned on the website earlier).  There was also the Tichborne case in Victorian times when somebody made a claim to the Tichborne baronetcy.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tichborne_case  The Tichborne claimant seems to have ended up better than the false Martin Guerre - the Tichborne claimant was sent to jail but the false Martin was hanged.  Well, today we are still told to be careful of our details in case of identity theft.
Back to top Go down
PaulRyckier
Censura
avatar

Posts : 2547
Join date : 2012-01-01
Location : Belgium

PostSubject: Re: Fakers, Faking it and Faked   Sun 12 Aug 2018, 23:05

@LadyinRetirement wrote:
There is a school of thought that thinks the scientist who committed suicide after the "weapons of mass destruction" controversy was murdered.  I don't know either way.  He was treated somewhat shabbily I feel because his scholarship was belittled.  I mentioned somewhere on the site but can't recall where that the scientific community in the UK spoke out and said that his scholarship was NOT rubbish but sound. In a lighter vein I found something on Wikipedia about some hoaxes pulled off by students back in the day "The Dreadnaught Hoax" and the "Zanzibar Hoax".  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreadnought_hoax

Moreover there was the undercover reporter also known as the "fake sheikh".  He did uncover some corrupt practice but did end up in prison.  https://www.theguardian.com/.../fake-sheikh-mazher-mahmood-exposed-own-sting


Lady,

"There is a school of thought that thinks the scientist who committed suicide after the "weapons of mass destruction" controversy was murdered.  I don't know either way.  He was treated somewhat shabbily I feel because his scholarship was belittled.  I mentioned somewhere on the site but can't recall where that the scientific community in the UK spoke out and said that his scholarship was NOT rubbish but sound."

Yes we were at that time at the BBC history messageboard...normally if you had some critics you received  a letter that you had to rewrite your message because it broke the BBC rules...but not that time, you could freely write your opinion without restriction, I guess because the BBC was hurt directly in her "being" about her role as independent...for me that was one of the great moments of British history...although as I see now, the politics stand above the independency of the BBC...
And yes you are right some murder "conspiracionists"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/jul/16/david-kelly-death-10-years-on

In my opoinion it was still a suicide...it is a bit as the Assad chemical bombings in Syria (while Assad as later is confirmed was only hours away from the victory on the rebels with "normal" stuff, why would he in this ultimate stage use chemicals to disturb his victory? The same with David Kelly, who had advantage of his murder...all matters were already revealed...it was only a question of days until the truth would be confirmed...Kelly's role was done...but for the "person" Kelly it was quite another thing...and I understand Blair..alaways too quick a bit the American way....start without confirmation...the "aim" has to be "proven", whatever the reality...
As the Tonkin incident:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

Kind regards from Paul.
Back to top Go down
Dirk Marinus
Praetor
avatar

Posts : 124
Join date : 2016-02-03

PostSubject: Re: Fakers, Faking it and Faked   Mon 13 Aug 2018, 18:59

Paul,

 you mentioned Assad and a chemical bombing attack.


Remember the so-called chemical bomb attack on April 7th in Duma (Syria)  this year and all the pictures and TV footage of civilians being hosed down by hospital staff and volunteers who were not even wearing protective clothing.

OPCW chemical weapons inspectors were dispatched to Duma to gather evidence of the chemical attack yet even now there has been absolutely no information  if they have found evidence of a chemical attack.
So was there a chemical attack and Assad was to blame?

Dirk
Back to top Go down
PaulRyckier
Censura
avatar

Posts : 2547
Join date : 2012-01-01
Location : Belgium

PostSubject: Re: Fakers, Faking it and Faked   Mon 13 Aug 2018, 21:36

Yes Dirk and there was also a so called attack in 2017 just when the rebels were losing and the tide was turned against the rebels. That one I followed even more...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43697084
Read once item 15 from the UN report, which was in the BBC link
https://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.int/files/resources/N1734930.pdf
The pit from the so called sarin bomb was already filled with concrete...and all the information and pictures came from the rebels and if I recall it well Turkish doctors...no reiliable information from undependent Western sources, up to what I know...
There was a debate on the French Salon Géopolitique and even there a French speaking Belgian was reprimanded by the forum moderators for commenting this issue as I do now...he provided a report from the French security service that along the papers had proof of the chemical attack and the report was online...and each time it had to answer a crucial question it said according to this or this source (anytime from the rebels) "it could be that"...and from so called unbiased sources: "they think that"...

Kind regards from Paul.
Back to top Go down
LadyinRetirement
Censura
avatar

Posts : 1155
Join date : 2013-09-16

PostSubject: Re: Fakers, Faking it and Faked   Wed 15 Aug 2018, 14:29

This may be "old news" but I wanted to bring something a bit light on to the board.  Some of today's real life news seems to be depressing and I don't think anything as big as the collapse of the Italian motorway bridge could be "fake news".  But anyway, I know I mentioned some nutty videos at one point claiming that some male stars were in fact female and vice versa but it does seem that a female has been played by a male in a number of films and the character is...Lassie, the dog.  www.lassieweb.org/lassfact.htm  Though it does say that some of Lassie's stunt doubles were females.  An article from 1993 (so doesn't mention the Lassie in the 2005 film) says that female collies lose their coats when they go into heat twice a year [url=articles.orlandosentinel.com › Collections › Lassie]articles.orlandosentinel.com › Collections › Lassie[/url]
Back to top Go down
LadyinRetirement
Censura
avatar

Posts : 1155
Join date : 2013-09-16

PostSubject: Re: Fakers, Faking it and Faked   Sat 18 Aug 2018, 09:38

I read something where a Scotsman was visiting various locations for the series Outlander (involves a time travelling nurse from the 1940s going back to the time of the 1745 Jacobite rebellion).  The money behind the series is from North America, I think, and the series of books on which the TV show is based was written by an American lady.  Anyway, I thought well at least the show runners went to Scotland to shoot the programme.  One of my hate watches from my younger years Daktari (about an American vet in Africa) I recall was shot in "Africa USA"  One of my other hate watches from back then The Travels of Jamie McPheeters which was a boy eponymously named on a wagon train going west at the time the American west was being settled at least was shot in the correct location.  I hadn't realised that little Jamie McPheeters was played by a young Kurt Russell who went on to marry Goldie Hawn.
Back to top Go down
PaulRyckier
Censura
avatar

Posts : 2547
Join date : 2012-01-01
Location : Belgium

PostSubject: Re: Fakers, Faking it and Faked   Sun 19 Aug 2018, 21:11

@LadyinRetirement wrote:
I read something where a Scotsman was visiting various locations for the series Outlander (involves a time travelling nurse from the 1940s going back to the time of the 1745 Jacobite rebellion).  The money behind the series is from North America, I think, and the series of books on which the TV show is based was written by an American lady.  Anyway, I thought well at least the show runners went to Scotland to shoot the programme.  One of my hate watches from my younger years Daktari (about an American vet in Africa) I recall was shot in "Africa USA"  One of my other hate watches from back then The Travels of Jamie McPheeters which was a boy eponymously named on a wagon train going west at the time the American west was being settled at least was shot in the correct location.  I hadn't realised that little Jamie McPheeters was played by a young Kurt Russell who went on to marry Goldie Hawn.

Lady,

you...you English ones..."One of my hate watches from my younger years Daktari "
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hatewatch
OOPS Lady and I wanted to correct you with the film that I saw in 1963 in Ostend...hatewatch once again Daktari...
But of course it was "Hatari"
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056059/videoplayer/vi3528458265?ref_=tt_ov_vi

And now I understand that you hatewatched Daktari
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daktari

You had better looked to our Armand Denis on the BBC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armand_Denis
And as Han Suyin that I mentioned here several times on this board spoke about this Armand as they I suppose were cousins They both were from the Antwerp/Brussels family "Denis" and I think the aunt mentioned her under was the mother of Han Suyin...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1429790/Michaela-Denis.html
"It was in New York that she met Armand Denis, who, 17 years older than her, had already had an extraordinarily diverse career. Born in Antwerp, the son of a Belgian judge, and related through an aunt to Han Suyin, author of A Many-Splendoured Thing, he fought in the First World War before escaping to England, where he read chemistry at Oxford and encountered Sir Julian Huxley."

Kind regards from Paul.
Back to top Go down
Sponsored content




PostSubject: Re: Fakers, Faking it and Faked   

Back to top Go down
 

Fakers, Faking it and Faked

View previous topic View next topic Back to top 
Page 2 of 2Go to page : Previous  1, 2

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
Res Historica History Forum :: The history of people ... :: Customs, traditions, etiquette and ethics-