PaulRyckier Censura
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| Subject: Malaise of the "fin du siècle" (19th century) Fri 21 Feb 2020, 22:23 | |
| Sparked by Sylvain's thread about the time around 1900 and having learned during research for the roots of Fascism (and later Nazism) about the "special feeling" of fast changing society especially by the science evolution, social Darwinism (I discussed it with nordmann and he said that the term was not exact and I agreed, but so is the term coined in the time and so covers this term what people understood by it) and movements as eugenics and the survival of the fittest, not understood or misquoted by people, who wanted to use it in a Fascist way as the theories of Lebensraum. People weren't sure anymore of what happened with them and as revolt they became embedded in emotionalism, irrationalism, subjectivism and especially "vitalism", which was an essential characteristic of Fascism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fin_de_si%C3%A8cleFrom the wiki. The major political theme of the era was that of revolt against materialism, rationalism, positivism, bourgeois society, and liberal democracy.[7] The fin-de-siècle generation supported emotionalism, irrationalism, subjectivism, and vitalism,[8] while the mindset of the age saw civilization as being in a crisis that required a massive and total solution.[7]I read this evening the article of Szabo referring to three works The malaise of the fin du siècle Europe. And in my humble opinion it was not in Europe alone but in the whole Western world of those days as far as Argentina and I guess as I read about the "long depression", which in my opinion influenced also the fin du siècle feeling (comments later in the message) up to Australia. https://dalspace.library.dal.ca/bitstream/handle/10222/60306/dalrev_vol60_iss4_pp740_748.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=yAbout Szabo: https://www.ualberta.ca/history-classics/people/emeriti/szaboThe Decline of Bismarck's European Order: Franco-Russian Relations. 1875-1890. By George F. Kennan. Princeton, N.J.: Princeton University Press, 1979. Pp. xii, 466. $25.00 (U.S.). Gold and Iron: Bismarck. Bleichroder, and the Building of the German Empire. By Fritz Stern. New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1977. Pp. xxiv, 620. $17.95 (U.S.). Paper, N.Y.: Vintage Books, 1979. $7.95 (U.S.). Fin-de-siecle Vienna: Politics and Culture. By Carl E. Schorske. New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1980. Pp. xxx, 378. $15.95 (U.S.). I read "Gold and Iron" from Fritz Stern and not the other two, but I am many times not agreeing with the comments of Szabo, but that is for later (if someone is interested in the thread ) And an article from The Guardian comparing the fin du siècle from the 19th and 20th century: https://www.theguardian.com/books/1999/dec/18/politics.historyHere you can learn again in my opinion a lot about the end of the 19th century feeling... And nobody mentions it, but in my opinion and I think I read it in the book about Fascism of Payne too: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/349782.A_History_of_Fascism_1914_1945"the long depression" had also a lot to do in the bad feeling and the malaise of the end of the 19th century, where all old stabilizing forces came in question? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Depressionhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baring_crisishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1893https://www.rba.gov.au/publications/rdp/2001/2001-07/1890s-depression.htmlKind regards, Paul. |
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| Subject: Re: Malaise of the "fin du siècle" (19th century) Sat 22 Feb 2020, 07:50 | |
| I've never read Heinrich Mann's Man of Steel about the thoroughly dislikeable Diederich Hesseling (Der Untertan in German). I saw an adaptation of the book in the early 1970s with Derek Jacobi in the title role. The only clip I could find was an audio one which was only a minute or so in length. The story was written around the end of the First World War (well might have been written earlier but was published in 1918 if my internet sleuthing is correct) but was about late 19th century Germany. I don't remember the details but remember thinking it was well acted. It depicted over slavish devotion to the system if I remember rightly though looking on the internet some critics say there was something satirical about the book. A user review on IMDb says "This early tv appearance by Jacobi as weaselly, duplicitous social climber in imperial Germany showed what a star was in the making. Alas, we can no longer enjoy his terrific performance because the series was not archived and is lost for good. Very sad". As the BBC don't seem to have archived the serial I can't look at it now and see if it has withstood the test of time. I don't know what the BBC's criteria were/are for deciding whether or not to archive programmes. There are clips of the 1967 BBC version of The Forsyte Saga around and they predate the adaptation of Man of Straw. |
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PaulRyckier Censura
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| Subject: Re: Malaise of the "fin du siècle" (19th century) Sat 22 Feb 2020, 20:24 | |
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