If a foreign 19 year old young woman with the following features volunteered as a female gladiator in the ancient pagan Roman Empire's Colosseum and brutally defeated and killed many volunteer warlike northern barbarian male adult warriors such as Thracians, Illyrians, Celts, and Germans and many Hellenic male adult warriors such as Greek hoplites and Roman Legionnaires in the Roman Colosseum, how will the ancient pagan Romans react and interact with her? These are the following features of the foreign 19 year old young woman:

1. She is pale skinned, caucasoid, has built a body sexy by modern standards, fit, has breasts that are mildly bigger than the average size, and she is tall.

2. Her long straight hair is completely dyed with slightly dark pink.

3. Her finger nails are painted with slightly dark pink.

4. She wears a sleeveless backless top which covers most of her upper body down to the waist except the back and the arms. The whole top is colored moderate pink. The top has no shoulder straps cause the straps are like that of a bra which means they are around the back. Also, the top has another strap that goes around the back of her waist in order to support the lower part of the top. The chest part of the top is shaped like that of a bra which means that it is shaped like that of a woman's breasts. This is also because the chest part of the top is also the one holding her breasts. The breasts shaped chest part of the top is colored slightly dark pink and is made of leather. The breasts shaped chest part of the top exposes the upper parts of her breasts a bit (but not the nipples) cause the upper breasts shaped chest part of the top is essentially just a leather bra.

5. She wears a slightly dark pink long skirt with two full slits on both sides which exposes both of her thighs. The slits almost reach her waist which kind of expose her buttocks. Since it is a long skirt with two full slits on both sides, that means that the long front garment part and the long back garment part of the long skirt are separated from each other and are not connected. The long front garment part of the long skirt has a cloth covered mildly heavy object hanging from below it and the back front garment part of the long skirt also has its own cloth covered mildly heavy object hanging from below it so that both the front part and the back part of the long skirt wouldn't swing wildly when a strong wind blows. This is because if the front part and the back part of the long skirt swings wildly by a strong wind, it will expose the young woman's panties which will cause great embarrassment for her. The long skirt is completely disconnected from the top of the foreign young woman which sometimes exposes the foreign young woman's belly button a bit.

6. She wears boots and fingerless gloves which are both colored moderate pink.

7. Her socks are the same length as her boots and her boots' length is pretty much just ⅓ of her lower legs from the feet which means that ⅔ of the skin of her lower legs from the knees and the whole skin of her whole thighs are exposed.

8. She wears panties that are slightly dark pink. Also, despite the breasts shaped chest part of her top being essentially a leather bra, she has another bra behind the breasts shaped chest part of her top and is her real bra that is colored slightly dark pink.

9. She is not xenophobic and is actually friendly. She has no fear when it comes to interacting with foreign cultures.

10. She learned to speak fluent ancient Latin and ancient Greek despite them not being her native languages.

11. She carries two knives, two brass knuckles, a broadsword, and a polearm blade because she is an expert in some kind of foreign martial arts so she can at least defend herself in dangerous situations. As a volunteer female gladiator, she has brutally defeated and brutally killed many volunteer warlike northern barbarian male warriors such as Thracians, Illyrians, Celts, and Germans and many Hellenic male warriors such as Greek hoplites and Roman Legionnaires in the Roman Colosseum. She has also successfully defeated and brutally killed entire gangs and armies of bandits and pirates that tried to victimize her in the streets of Rome and in the seas and this became a rumour that spread quickly throughout all parts of the ancient pagan Roman Empire.

12. She is great at singing and dancing. She is an expert in non-Hellenic foreign sexy wild graceful energetic forms of dancing.

Moderate pink is different from slightly dark pink cause moderate pink is normal pink while slightly dark pink is slightly darker.

She also has her own theme song and her theme song is Sea of Fire which is composed by Hiroyuki Sawano and her version of the song is sang by Mizuki. Seriously search the Mizuki version of the song up in Youtube.

This is the original lyrics for the song:

[Verse 1]
Tojikaketa doa no mukou te wo sashi nobasu naita koe
Tonari no oto ni furi muite kieta
Kotaemo shiranai ikari bakari de kaki midasareta sekai aga akaku mieteiku
Yume ga kurikaeshiteiku youni mezameta

[Pre-Chorus]
Hanareta hitoriga tsunaida Komochi wa itami wo oshieta

[Chorus]
I only have one more hand left that I can play
There ain’t no time so let’s do it now, I say
I’m on a wave, yeah!
A sea of flames!
My soul is still the same
But it has many names!
Oh…

[Verse 2]
Why don’t you show me how much you love
To rain down fire from high above?
It keeps on flowing on and on
Through your heart
I can see through the steam
It’s getting hot in the dust
The bullets whiz through the air
Is it curtains for us?
You gonna trust
They’re gonna tear your world apart
Piece by piece

[Pre-Chorus]
A thundercloud
Thundercloud
Hammer is beating loud
Soon it be coming down

[Chorus]
I only have one more hand left that I can play
There ain’t no time so let’s do it now, I say
I’m on a wave, yeah!
A sea of flames!
My soul is still the same
But it has many names!
Oh…

[Chorus]
I only have one more hand left that I can play
There ain’t no time so let’s do it now, I say
I’m on a wave, yeah!
A sea of flames!
My soul is still the same
But it has many names!
Oh…

She has translated this song into two languages and the languages are ancient Greek and ancient Latin.

She has a wireless molar mic that can be put inside the mouth so it will not be seen. She also has a music player and two very loud loudspeakers. In order to supply the music player, the two loudspeakers, and the wireless molar mic with electrical power, she has a solar power recharger and an electrical generator that can produce electricity. She got all of these from a time traveler.

She uses the music player in order to play her theme songs in Greek and Latin. She uses the loudspeakers in many streets of the ancient Roman Empire even in front of the many diverse pagans of the ancient Roman Empire. There are times where she uses the instrumental version of the songs so that she can use the wireless molar mic to sing the Greek lyrics and the Latin lyrics and not let the music player do all the singing which is kind of like singing in Karaoke but the background music is pretty much the same as in the original music and not modified and degraded like in Karaoke. She mostly dances sexily and sings loud and sexily in ancient Greek and ancient Latin in many streets of the ancient Roman Empire in front of the various diverse pagan crowds. She does not want to entertain them but she just loves singing and dancing and she does not care what others think of her. Her dances are non-Hellenic foreign sexy alluring wild graceful energetic forms of dancing. It's as if she is alluring people with her dance but she actually does not mean to allure people cause the truth is that her dance forms are just sexy and she is actually not trying to allure anybody.

Keep in mind that she fought as a gladiator in the Roman Colosseum while she is wearing her extremely foreign fashion that I wrote above.

So how will the ancient Roman pagans react to these very foreign characteristics and her badass accomplishments as a warrior in the ancient Colosseum, the Roman streets, and the seas? How will the ancient Romans socialize and interact with her? How will the ancient pagan Romans react to her music and her dancing and singing sexily in many streets of the ancient pagan Roman Empire? I just want to know how culturally sensible the ancient pagan Romans are. Keep in mind that these are ancient PAGANS in the Roman Empire and not ancient CHRISTIANS in the ancient Roman Empire cause those two groups are very different culturally, socially, mentally, and morally.

I know this is a weird question but I just want to know how culturally sensible the ancient pagan Romans are.

Where did she get the pink clothes from? Romans would not have distinguished red from pink, but would immediately spot pink/red obtained from "rubia tinctorum" or "kermes vermilio". She could dance and fight to her heart's content as far as they were concerned (not a prudish lot, and used to weird foreigners) but it would have been the predominance of pink that would have made them curious - is she a multi-multi-millionaire or a multi-multi-billionaire?

It's worth remembering also that it is only very recently in European culture that pink became seen as a "feminine" colour. In Roman times it was extremely masculine indeed, what with it being the Martial emblem. As a gladiatrix kitted out in pink gear she would have blended right in with her adversaries who, like Roman soldiery, liked to flash the red and pink a lot to advertise their warrior status.

When is all this happening, by the way? Is she in Rome during republic or empire times? And if post-republic under which imperial regime? The "gladiatrix" thing went in and out of fashion a lot (probably much like female mud wrestling these days), and needed willing, wealthy patrons to finance it along with political endorsement from the top guys. Under Caligula, for example, it might have topped the bill at the local amphitheatre for a few seasons but then under his successor Claudius it would very likely have been outlawed - not for prudish reasons but because it diverted funds from other more serious projects. Fast forward a century or so to Septimius Serverus and her particular profession might have been back in fashion again. However her colour theme of choice could have got her into big trouble - people with no obvious source of wealth walking around in the clothes of the super rich were breaking just about every sumptuary law in the book. No amount of exotic dancing would have saved her from having her collar felt over that one, and even if she could prove she hadn't stolen the gear just having it at all would have been enough to be convicted of disturbing the peace. Not quite a Tarpian Rock offence, but still enough to have her turfed out of Rome itself as a "persona non grata" by the aediles.

nordmann wrote:

Where did she get the pink clothes from? Romans would not have distinguished red from pink, but would immediately spot pink/red obtained from "rubia tinctorum" or "kermes vermilio".

Strong pink is different from red

nordmann wrote:

Where did she get the pink clothes from? Romans would not have distinguished red from pink, but would immediately spot pink/red obtained from "rubia tinctorum" or "kermes vermilio". She could dance and fight to her heart's content as far as they were concerned (not a prudish lot, and used to weird foreigners) but it would have been the predominance of pink that would have made them curious - is she a multi-multi-millionaire or a multi-multi-billionaire?

It's worth remembering also that it is only very recently in European culture that pink became seen as a "feminine" colour. In Roman times it was extremely masculine indeed, what with it being the Martial emblem. As a gladiatrix kitted out in pink gear she would have blended right in with her adversaries who, like Roman soldiery, liked to flash the red and pink a lot to advertise their warrior status.

When is all this happening, by the way? Is she in Rome during republic or empire times? And if post-republic under which imperial regime? The "gladiatrix" thing went in and out of fashion a lot (probably much like female mud wrestling these days), and needed willing, wealthy patrons to finance it along with political endorsement from the top guys. Under Caligula, for example, it might have topped the bill at the local amphitheatre for a few seasons but then under his successor Claudius it would very likely have been outlawed - not for prudish reasons but because it diverted funds from other more serious projects. Fast forward a century or so to Septimius Serverus and her particular profession might have been back in fashion again. However her colour theme of choice could have got her into big trouble - people with no obvious source of wealth walking around in the clothes of the super rich were breaking just about every sumptuary law in the book. No amount of exotic dancing would have saved her from having her collar felt over that one, and even if she could prove she hadn't stolen the gear just having it at all would have been enough to be convicted of disturbing the peace. Not quite a Tarpian Rock offence, but still enough to have her turfed out of Rome itself as a "persona non grata" by the aediles.

Damnit! I want to use a credible linked evidence against your claims but I am not allowed to post it before 7 days.

You can paste the URL in as plain text and I can then paste it into a browser, so fire away. I'd be interested in seeing which "claim" you're talking about, Cain. I'm still unsure who's funding this lassie and why, even if she can afford her own clothes. In Rome it was always all about patronage, whether you were a woman or a man. And "gladiatrixing" wasn't a cheap profession.

The 7 day thing weeds out spammers, so you can see why we have it here. But that only prevents clickable links from being inserted - as text they'll still show up.

nordmann wrote:

You can paste the URL in as plain text and I can then paste it into a browser, so fire away. I'd be interested in seeing which "claim" you're talking about, Cain. I'm still unsure who's funding this lassie and why, even if she can afford her own clothes. In Rome it was always all about patronage, whether you were a woman or a man. And "gladiatrixing" wasn't a cheap profession.

The 7 day thing weeds out spammers, so you can see why we have it here. But that only prevents clickable links from being inserted - as text they'll still show up.

How do you really turn a link into a text? This forum seems to also not like unclickable links. It seems like it just rejects anything that looks like a link unclickable or not.

nordmann wrote:

You can paste the URL in as plain text and I can then paste it into a browser, so fire away. I'd be interested in seeing which "claim" you're talking about, Cain. I'm still unsure who's funding this lassie and why, even if she can afford her own clothes. In Rome it was always all about patronage, whether you were a woman or a man. And "gladiatrixing" wasn't a cheap profession.

The 7 day thing weeds out spammers, so you can see why we have it here. But that only prevents clickable links from being inserted - as text they'll still show up.

I don't agree with your thinking that ancient Rome considered pink as masculine.

An article from a College says that pink is considered feminine in ancient Rome and here is the article:

Dress and Womanhood of Ancient Rome - Union | Digital Works

Just type that cause I can't give you the link. It's from a College site names "Union College" in the Digital Works.

The article says this:

"The color of garments like the materials used developed as the centuries went on
and the Roman empire changed. Based on lyrical and some material evidence Olson
brings forth a list of predominant colors used by women and their significance in terms of
female social stratification. Sky-blue, marigold yellow, red orange, sea-blue, walnut
brown, pale yellow and green were all worn by women of ancient Rome (Olson 398).
These colors can be associated with fertility due to their resemblance to the earth, water,
and other natural elements that bring upon its proliferation. Colors like pink,gray, and
beige were regarded as spring colors by the Romans (Olson 398). Outside of the
historical context of the ancient world these all stuck throughout history and were
eventually equated with femininity itself, especially pink. This alone confirms a strong
Roman influence in today’s fashion and gendered structures as well."

You can find this part of the article in the article's table content's "Women’s Stratification Through Dress" part

Besides your overexagggerating the similarity of pink to red too much. Pink is clearly different and far more brighter and livelier than red. Pink clearly is very far from red when it comes to color saturation and brightness. I am talking about strong bright pink. Not magenta or something like that.

nordmann wrote:

She could dance and fight to her heart's content as far as they were concerned (not a prudish lot, and used to weird foreigners)

Let's disregard my female character's color pink and just take a look at her fashion style.

Didn't the ancient Romans required all female Roman citizens to wear chastity togas? Chastity, dude! CHASTITY! You know what that means? You really thing they would not by bothered a bit by my pink female gladiatrix's character's fashion and customs?

It's pretty weird and kind of out of the ordinary for Ancient Rome to have diverse clothing as diverse as that of costumes that you see in comic cons especially hair colorings like blue, green, crimson, silver, etc.

Disregarding the color pink, let's just say that my pink young woman character isn't seen as unlawful in the eyes of the Roman law but she will most likely get discriminated, mocked, or worse, beaten and mobbed by the Roman pagan public crowd for her unique revealing out of the ordinary fashion. As far as I know, no one in ancient history have a fashion that is even closed to my pink female gladiatrix character's fashion.

Yes, the ancient Romans were used to weird foreigners but did they regard them in a friendly and respectfuk manner? Also, speaking of those foreigners being "weird", how similar were they even to my pink female character? How "weird" were they compared to my female pink character? The only foreigners that are weird to the ancient pagan Romans that I can't think of are Jews, Celts, Persians, and Germans which are people that have no similarity whatsoever to my female pink dancing singing character. None of these people are also known for their females having revealing fashions.

As far as I know, the ancient pagan Romans pretty much regard every non-Hellenics, non-Greeks, and non-Romans as inferior irrational barbarians whether they be Celts, Illyrians, Persians, native Egyptians, Syrians, Babylonians, etc.

nordmann wrote:

When is all this happening, by the way? Is she in Rome during republic or empire times?

I said empire multiple times in my post. Can you please read it again?

nordmann wrote:

In Rome it was always all about patronage, whether you were a woman or a man. And "gladiatrixing" wasn't a cheap profession.

My female pink gladiatrix lass isn't a slave. She's a volunteer. Although not a citizen but definitely a freewoman.

Thanks for that - interesting stuff, but maybe not for the reason you meant. I did indeed miss the "empire" bit in your post. But I did ask, which empire? Or at least which dynasty? And "patron" is not the same as "slave master". Even Caesar started out with patrons.

The article you refer to is apparently a submitted thesis by a Miss Burbano concerning women's clothing in Rome which, besides devoting a whole fifth of the content to something called the "male gaze" (which apparently led to prostitution, marriage and ultimately Coco Chanel), is completely based on nine referenced sources, two of which are dictionaries! Now I am aware Miss Burbano was obviouslu pursuing her studies despite the considerable impediment of a geographical location rather too close to Schenechtady, NY, but surely even in the USA one is still not allowed submit a thesis using an esoteric treatment of Renaissance Art History and two dictionaries as the basis of fifty percent of one's cited references?

Anyway, she's right that dyes derived from madder certainly did find their way into clothes used by pretty much everyone at some point in the thousand years of Roman history before its fall. She's wrong to say that this was because it was an "earth" colour. Roman appreciation of the elements, based largely on Greek sources, was considerably more sophisticated than the "air, fire, earth, water" version beloved of New Agers and such even now. Madder was the more economical source for producing red, or a shade of red, and as any dyer will tell you if your dye isn't fast and starts as red then it quickly ends up pink - as does everything else in the washing machine as I've found myself on occasion. What she forgets to mention is the association of these red dyes specifically with military and religious use (which both of her dictionaries would also have confirmed for her which makes me wonder why she lists them at all at the end of her thesis). However you can obviously google that for yourself too if you don't believe me - it's not exactly arcane stuff and you'll find loads of web articles explaining what I explained above, only better and more thoroughly.

If you're going to place a Roman era character in "strong bright pink" clothes (as opposed to faded madder) however, and make that a running theme of a story, then I'd suggest you at least try to work out the feasibility of that colour at that time as a dye. Especially what plants or insects would have been used to make it? Where were these to be found and how much did they cost to render into dye? I had a brief gander around to see could I help you but I've drawn a complete blank. I can't find anybody even on the internet who is prepared to propose such a thing was even possible two thousand years ago, let alone the basis if a woman's wardrobe.

Why can't she use blue? They did know how to make some really vibrant blues when dyeing clothes. And they also considered it to be very feminine indeed, the more vibrant the blue the more girly the girl in fact - to them it was all innocence and purity, sugar & spice & all things nice etc etc. After all, that's how the non-pagan shower that arrived on the scene later decided on the BVM's kit!

Cain Ravenstone wrote:

caucasoid

Do we know which country in the Caucasus the gladiatrix comes from - e.g. Albania, Iberia, Armenia or Sarmatia etc?

Vizzer wrote:

Cain Ravenstone wrote:

caucasoid

Do we know which country in the Caucasus the gladiatrix comes from - e.g. Albania, Iberia, Armenia or Sarmatia etc?

She is not from any of the countries you mentioned. What I mean is that her features are caucasoid which means she is not negroid or mongoloid.

She is also not from the Caucasus.

Oh I see - Caucasoid but not from the Caucasus. This reminds me of an incident a few years back when Khloé Kardashian had a makeover and some people on social media then exclaimed "OMG! She looks Caucasian!" Others then had to point out to them that Khloé and all the Kardashians look Caucasian as the family is of Armenian heritage with Armenia, of course, being in the Caucasus.

If we don't know which country the gladiatrix is from, then do we know what the mildly heavy object she wears hanging down is made of? If made from bone, for example, or if she adorns herself with other bone trinkets then this would indeed have been of interest to a pagan crowd in the Roman empire. In earlier republican Rome it was almost universal practice to bury the dead. Cremation, however, became common during the empire. Part of funerary practice at that time was to burn the deceased except for a finger which would be buried. This 'os resectum' (dissected bone) would then accompany the deceased's ashes into the grave. This was a sort of hedging of bets between the 2 techniques of body disposal. And, although the Romans made use of animal bone for making hairpins and combs etc, for many pagan Romans to adorn a living person with bone trinkets as such (even if animal in origin) would have been seen as the mark of a barbarian.

Vizzer wrote:

Oh I see - Caucasoid but not from the Caucasus. This reminds me of an incident a few years back when Khloé Kardashian had a makeover and some people on social media then exclaimed "OMG! She looks Caucasian!" Others then had to point out to them that Khloé and all the Kardashians look Caucasian as the family is of Armenian heritage with Armenia, of course, being in the Caucasus.

Dude, I know your saying that caucasian isn't the right term but it doesn't matter if I am not precise in technical terms cause what I mean by caucasoid is that she is caucasoid like Middle Easterns, South Asians, Europeans, Indo Europeans, and Caucasians. I didn't mean that she is from the Caucasus such as Sarmatia, Armenia, etc. She isn't.

I mean I don't really know how to say "white" other than "caucasoid". I don't want to use "white" as that automatically means Western Northern European. I want to say caucasoid in order for me to describe her as having caucasoid features and not mongoloid or Negroid features.

Since your itching from where she really is, I'll have to say that her country and culture is an entirely fictional one. This is because the features that I gave her is something that is not found in any ancient culture in history and is just something super out of the ordinary in the ancient world. I made the features up. I wanted to create a fictional country and culture of my female pink gladiatrix character so that I'll have a lot of freedom in making up many of her features and details and not be confined to the rules and customs of an ancient culture that actually existed.

It does not matter if her country and culture is real or not cause my central point is wanting to know how culturally sensible the ancient pagan Romans are towards the foreign non-Hellenic features I gave my pink female gladiatrix character.

Her country is majority caucasoid like European, South Asian, Indo European, Caucasian, and Middle Eastern but her country and culture is neither a European one, a South Asian one, a Middle Eastern one, a Caucasian one, or an Indo European one. Her country is neither in the Caucasus, the Middle East, Europe, or South Asia. She is pretty much an alien and I wanted to do that so that I can have as many liberties as I want in making up her features.

Vizzer wrote:

If we don't know which country the gladiatrix is from, then do we know what the mildly heavy object she wears hanging down is made of? If made from bone, for example, or if she adorns herself with other bone trinkets then this would indeed have been of interest to a pagan crowd in the Roman empire. In earlier republican Rome it was almost universal practice to bury the dead. Cremation, however, became common during the empire. Part of funerary practice at that time was to burn the deceased except for a finger which would be buried. This 'os resectum' (dissected bone) would then accompany the deceased's ashes into the grave. This was a sort of hedging of bets between the 2 techniques of body disposal. And, although the Romans made use of animal bone for making hairpins and combs etc, for many pagan Romans to adorn a living person with bone trinkets as such (even if animal in origin) would have been seen as the mark of a barbarian.

Do you know what a long slit skirt is? It's basically a long skirt that has full slits on both sides reaching the waist. The result is the entire front part of the long slirt and the entire back part of the long skirt being separated which also results with both of the entirety of the two legs being exposed to the sides.

The mildly heavy objects are attached below the two separated parts of the long slit skirt.

A mildly heavy object is attached below the end of the entire front garment part of the long skirt. The purpose of this is to put as much weight so that it will prevent a strong wind from blowing the entire front part of the long slit skirt wildly. The entire front part of the long slit skirt swinging wildly in the wind has a huge potential for exposing the front of the young woman's panties which is very embarrassing.

Same thing with the entire back part of the long slit skirt. A mildly heavy object is attached below the end of the entire back garment part of the long slit skirt. The purpose of this is to also put as much weight so that it will prevent a strong wind from blowing the entire back part of the long slit skirt wildly. The entire back part of the long slit skirt swinging wildly in the wind has a huge potential for exposing the back of the young woman's panties and her buttocks. Yes, the skin of her buttocks won't be exposed as she is wearing a panty but the shape of her buttocks could be revealed a bit if the entire back part of the slit skirt swings wild by a strong wind cause panties don't really hide a buttock's shape very much. Panties only hide the skin.

In conclusion, there are two mildly heavy objects. One attached below the end of the entire front part of the long slit skirt and one attached below the end of the entire back part of the long slit skirt.

The two mildly heavy objects are not made of bones but are made of metals. Each one of the two mildly heavy objects have the same weight as two golf balls which is pretty much enough to stop a strong wind from swinging a long slit skirt wildly.

Each of the two mildly heavy objects are covered with soft cloth. This is for preventing the two mildly heavy objects from making noise if there was a strong impact and contact between the two or if they make contact with something hard. This is also for preventing the young woman from being hurt if one of the two mildly heavy objects made an impact to her body that has a force powerful enough to hurt her if the mildly heavy object has no soft cloth covering the hard metal. The soft cloth covering the two mildly heavy objects are as soft as a bed foam.

If your fictional character is in the city of Rome then her ethnicity or racial appearance won't matter a damn to the locals - Romans weren't wired to be racist as we would understand the term and what distinguished a person in their eyes and allowed them to pigeonhole a stranger "by type" was basically their perceived social class. As a stranger in town it would not be enough to know yourself that you are not an escaped slave, for example. You would need evidence to convince others too. Patronage - literally having someone vouch for you whose word could be trusted and who put their money where their mouth was - was by far the best way. If, as your lassie seems intent on doing, one wished to establish some kind of public notoriety or local fame then it was even more important one could become identified with such a sponsor, be it a person or even just a known faction (guild, troupe, gang, organisation, etc).

Her clothes and style of dress wouldn't matter to the locals either in terms of "shockability". Though if she dresses unconventionally in well maintained clothes then she'll be presumed to be under someone's patronage. Whether as guest, concubine, or employee, maybe even a slave, and they would want to know therefore who that patron was.

If you want to understand Rome (and you still haven't said who was emperor at the time - it would help a lot to know the regime she's operating within) think Mafia. Everything from the big families, the "made members", the "friends and associates" and right down to the "clients" has an origin in how Roman society was structured. Like the mafia the whole emphasis was on establishing credentials, especially if one becomes known.

Once her "social security" issue was settled in people's minds then the next question on everyone's mind the moment she got publicly noticed would have been "what town/region is she from?", presuming she's from a Roman province or client state. If she's from further afield then they will want to know which state (using the Roman name) she came from. If it is a state unknown to them at all then she'll be dismissed as a "barbarian". This isn't necessarily a bad thing - an exotic barbarian could still make a name for themselves but she'd then certainly have needed a local sponsor vouching for her. If she didn't arrive knowing one she'd have had to find one quickly. The place name thing was important though - this became part of your own name in locals' eyes and therefore your Roman "identity". Without that then you were literally nobody. Even the lowest slaves were not denied this identity - whatever else they were denied. It was as fundamental a requirement as food and water. Without a Roman identity in Rome you were basically invisible and if you arrived without one you soon got one whether you wanted it or not.

Don't pitch her in Caligula's time..... The Little Red Boot Guy .. as his name indicates. he was possible the one and only one allowed them in showy situations. 

Getting pink dye for anything might be a problem for her - ideas anyone? And isn't the notion of matching socks in her boots  a really ducky-lovely idea? Possibly the only benefit of all that fancy gear is for a book cover - you can't over work any notion like that in the text. Or is this for a character in an animation? Oh dear  - I can see the laces on a bodice working loose already. And of course she is Scythian - they were up for all of that sort of thing, Scythians were..... add a horse.

Priscilla wrote:

Don't pitch her in Caligula's time..... The Little Red Boot Guy .. as his name indicates. he was possible the one and only one allowed them in showy situations. 

Getting pink dye for anything might be a problem for her - ideas anyone? And isn't the notion of matching socks in her boots  a really ducky-lovely idea? Possibly the only benefit of all that fancy gear is for a book cover - you can't over work any notion like that in the text. Or is this for a character in an animation? Oh dear  - I can see the laces on a bodice working loose already. And of course she is Scythian - they were up for all of that sort of thing, Scythians were..... add a horse.

Nope, my pink gladiatrix character is not a Scythian or even from the Caucasus. She is not Middle Eastern, Indo European, European, or South Asian. She is simply alien.

Priscilla wrote:

I can see the laces on a bodice working loose already. And of course she is Scythian - they were up for all of that sort of thing, Scythians were..... add a horse.

What do you mean the Scythians were all up for those? What do you mean that they have bodices that have loose laces? My pink gladiatrix young woman wears a BACKLESS ARMLESS TOP. The skin of my pink gladiatrix's arms and back are exposed. I don't think Scythians ever wore a shoulderless top that exposed their arms and backs. Seriously, what do you mean by this? I am confused.

Priscilla wrote:

Don't pitch her in Caligula's time..... The Little Red Boot Guy .. as his name indicates. he was possible the one and only one allowed them in showy situations. 

Getting pink dye for anything might be a problem for her - ideas anyone? And isn't the notion of matching socks in her boots  a really ducky-lovely idea? Possibly the only benefit of all that fancy gear is for a book cover - you can't over work any notion like that in the text. Or is this for a character in an animation? Oh dear  - I can see the laces on a bodice working loose already. And of course she is Scythian - they were up for all of that sort of thing, Scythians were..... add a horse.

As for the Scythians wearing loose bodices, I can't find them in the Internet. They're just wearing pajamas and coats. Seriously, what are you talking about? Can you give me a proof and a link for that?

By the way, sorry for the multiple replies with the same message over and over again. I am a newbie in this forum and I made a mistake. I can't even delete my other comments.

Priscilla wrote:

I can see the laces on a bodice working loose already. And of course she is Scythian - they were up for all of that sort of thing, Scythians were..... add a horse.

Are you talking about Scythian women or Scythian men?

nordmann wrote:

One of the users here in this forum with the username "Priscilla" said this below:

"I can see the laces on a bodice working loose already. And of course she is Scythian - they were up for all of that sort of thing, Scythians were..... add a horse."

Seriously, what does this mean? Is she saying that many ancient Scythians wore clothes that exposed the skins of their whole arms and the skins of their torso's whole backs like my pink gladiatrix young woman character? Is she talking about Scythian males or Scythian females? Is it true that ancient Scythians wore bodices with loose laces that exposed the skins of their torsos' backs? I tried browsing the Internet for informations and pictures about ancient Scythians wearing bodices with loose laces but I can't find any? Seriously, what does Priscilla mean? Is what she said even true?

Ah. Wryly amused by all the intensity of feeling that is being generated over what seems to be a completely fictional and rather historically implausible premise, this humble badger quietly steps away out of distance, to observe from afar and await the inevitable onslaught from someone that does actually know a thing or two about successfully writing historically-based fiction.

Meles meles wrote:

Ah. Wryly amused by all the intensity of feeling that is being generated over what seems to be a completely fictional and rather historically implausible premise, this humble badger quietly steps away out of distance, to observe from afar and await the inevitable onslaught from someone that does actually know a thing or two about successfully writing historically-based fiction.

What exactly are you talking about? None of us here are saying that my pink gladiatrix female character is real. I am just asking how the ancient Roman pagans will react to my incredibly exotic foreign pink character.

Cain Ravenstone wrote:

Her country is neither in the Caucasus, the Middle East, Europe, or South Asia. She is pretty much an alien and I wanted to do that so that I can have as many liberties as I want in making up her features.

Could her country be in Africa? I'd imagine that a nubile Nubian gladiatrix with pink hair would have been a big hit among the crowd in the Colosseum.

Cain Ravenstone wrote:

A mildly heavy object is attached below the end of the entire front garment part of the long skirt. The purpose of this is to put as much weight so that it will prevent a strong wind from blowing the entire front part of the long slit skirt wildly.

Surely it would make more sense to sew the slits up or else not even slit the skirt in the first place. I'd imagine that the practical-minded Romans would have been bemused by so much effort going into preventing a garment expressly designed to be revealing from then actually revealing anything.

Ah, CR, I go by the name of Priscilla here. All my knowledge of Scythian  tribals in classical times comes from delving into many, many books.... starting with Homer. My limited knowledge will be of no use on your web hunt. My notion of Scythian women is that what the Romans thought of them would be of  far less importance than what they thought of the Romans. And I am unsure about  Roman opinion , either - in all their many arenas in assorted lands I reckon the home crowd stance may vary somewhat. But I am basing that on football crowds.... even during these woke PC times, opinions are often made all too clear.   
For the record, Scythians also had this thing about animals - and horses of course - and tattoos and  exquisite golden jewellery. Your pink lady might even meet up with one in the arena. The odds would be interesting.

Vizzer wrote:

Could her country be in Africa? I'd imagine that a nubile Nubian gladiatrix with pink hair would have been a big hit among the crowd in the Colosseum.

I already told you that her culture and country is an entirely fictional one meaning it has never existed and is alien to all cultures that have actually existed. Stop trying to paint my character as coming from a culture that actually existed cause I clearly said she isn't. Stop pushing it. You're being so persistent.

You have no mastery over my character other than me. If I said that she is this, then she is that no matter what you say.

Vizzer wrote:

Surely it would make more sense to sew the slits up or else not even slit the skirt in the first place. I'd imagine that the practical-minded Romans would have been bemused by so much effort going into preventing a garment expressly designed to be revealing from then actually revealing anything.

But I wanted to make it a slit skirt and not a plain boring one. What I am trying to do is make a slit skirt that cannot be bothered by a strong wind.

nordmann wrote:

If your fictional character is in the city of Rome then her ethnicity or racial appearance won't matter a damn to the locals - Romans weren't wired to be racist as we would understand the term and what distinguished a person in their eyes and allowed them to pigeonhole a stranger "by type" was basically their perceived social class.

No one in the ancient world ever dressed like my female pink character. The people whom I can think of as perceived by the Romans to be weird are the Jews, the Celts, the Persians, the native Egyptians, and the Carthaginians. None of the females and males of these cultures ever wore pink long slit skirts, pink boots, pink fingerless gloves, pink long hairs, pink nails, pink panties, pink socks, and pink backless armless tops.

The Jews were highly covered and were fierce monotheists. The Celts wore tunics, pants, and capes. The only Celts to take off their upper dress were the tattooed male warriors but they don't count as they were men. The Persians wore pajamas and tunics. Ancient Egyptian females were mostly covered with the color white. Only male Egyptians can be topless but they don't count as they are males. The ancient Carthaginians were also covered. You see? None of these ancient peoples were close to my character when it comes to fashion and culture.

Also, if the ancient Romans don't really care much about someone's very exotic fashion then why is it that they require every citizen to wear a toga? Seriously, if you weren't a citizen in ancient Rome, then you were automatically a slave cause freedmen have the right to vote. Only citizens have a right to vote which means freedmen are automatically citizens. There really is no difference between a freedman and a citizen. Citizen are distinguished by their right to vote.

In conclusion, there is no way my pink character will be allowed to wear her exotic unique fashion without being treated as a subhuman(slave) cause the only way for her to be treated as human would be her to become a citizen(freedman) AND ALL CITIZENS OF ANCIENT ROME ARE REQUIRED TO WEAR TOGAS.

Also, all female Roman citizens were required to wear Chastity togas.

I wasn't even specifically asking if ancient Roman law will kill my pink character for her unique exotic fashion. It wasn't necessarily about ancient Romans officials physically harming my pink gladiatrix. It can also be about what they and especially the Roman public crowd would think of her fashion. Will they think of her in a very respectful way or mock her? My bet is that they will most likely consider her to be a weird slutty decadent barbarian and there will be a few cases that a Roman will beat her up. Sorry man, but I don't agree with your answer that the ancient Romans weren't wired to be racist. I am not saying that they are fanatical nazis but I also do not think that they are innocent.

As far as I really know, none of the people whom the Romans considered weird such as Jews, Celts, Carthaginians, Egyptians, and Persians wore fashion that is close to my female pink gladiatrix character's.

Your knowledge of Rome is extremely limited, Cain. The notion, for example, that "everyone" was required to wear a toga has no basis in fact whatsoever at any point in the city's long history as the cultural or political centre of either a republic or an empire, and I assume can only be the result of your "research" thus far being based on an aesthetic assessment of Hollywood movies.

However, in a narrative in which a space "alien" is running rampant "kicking ass" within a society that is already the product of your own imagination, itself inspired by that of successive Hollywood producers, I'm not sure anyone here can really help you in your current task. People here, myself included, would be looking to help keep the narrative grounded in fact whereas your whole point is to produce absolute fantasy. I wish you success with whatever venture you are engaged in.

There is a wealth of good information out there related to the topics already discussed - Roman attitudes towards race, shifting Roman mores throughout their long and complicated history, even what Romans regarded as "weird" and what they didn't. I would normally recommend that a person examine this literature for enjoyment's sake alone - it's a fascinating period of history and an endless source of revelation - but in your case I reckon the more factual data you take on board the less feasible your own use of Rome as an historical setting for your narrative becomes. But believe me, as long as your heroine looks reasonably human and no matter how "weird" she behaves she will already have some close historical counterparts within actual Roman history. There was a lot more to that society than Hollywood tends to presume.

I think my advice can be boiled down to "read more, you might be pleasantly surprised". You might start with investigating Roman attitudes to ethnicity and race, especially as the empire expanded to include a wide variety of these. Not a simple subject at all, and one that certainly cannot be assessed using solely modern sensibilities, even those of modern bigots.

PS: I cleaned up all your duplicate posts.

PPS:

Cain R wrote:

Also, all female Roman citizens were required to wear Chastity togas.

And how did that go, I wonder?    

nordmann wrote:

However, in a narrative in which a space "alien" is running rampant "kicking ass" within a society that is already the product of your own imagination, itself inspired by that of successive Hollywood producers, I'm not sure anyone here can really help you in your current task. People here, myself included, would be looking to help keep the narrative grounded in fact whereas your whole point is to produce absolute fantasy. I wish you success with whatever venture you are engaged in.

I am not saying that my pink character being a badass is real. I am just asking how will the ancient Romans react to her if she is indeed that badass. Kind of like how will ancient Romans react if magic is real and some magician just turned a whole Roman Legion into a bunch of chinchillas. Yes, that is history mix with supernatural fantasy but is there anything wrong with asking that here? Anyways, I don't really care if my pink character being a badass is real cause I just want to know how ancient Romans will react to her.

nordmann wrote:

But believe me, as long as your heroine looks reasonably human and no matter how "weird" she behaves she will already have some close historical counterparts within actual Roman history. There was a lot more to that society than Hollywood tends to presume.

No, stop! Just stop! My female pink character having even a single counterpart in history especially ancient Roman history is just absurd and something out of a cartoon made by some animator on a drug trip! None of the people in the ancient world ever wore pink long slit skirts, pink boots, pink fingerless gloves, pink long hairs, pink nails, pink panties, pink socks, pink bras, and pink backless armless tops all together like my pink character! None of them also ever danced sexily and sang sexily in the streets of the Roman Empire that boldly on a daily routine like my pink gladiatrix character.

nordmann wrote:

And how did that go, I wonder?

Yes, they indeed have to do wear chastity togas. Sorry man but this notion of female citizens of Rome wearing diverse barbarian clothing is just unimaginable. I'll probably give Jewish women the exception cause Jews are just too rebellious and too proud.

Just make sure she doesn't let any of the Romans get their hands on her flying saucer. Ask any poor Carthaginian what that would lead to!

nordmann wrote:

Just make sure she doesn't let any of the Romans get their hands on her flying saucer. Ask any poor Carthaginian what that would lead to!

I never said anything about her having a flying saucer. What are you talking about?

Cain Ravenstone wrote:

her culture and country is an entirely fictional one meaning it has never existed and is alien to all cultures that have actually existed.

Okay she's not from Sarmatia or Scythia or Nubia etc because those countries actually existed. Her culture is fictional and alien. I get it. Then how about Barsoom? Edgar Rice Burroughs' fictional series of novels imagining the various cultures on Mars. It featured Red, Green and other Martian civilizations. The gladiatrix could well be an ambassador of the Red Martians (the dominant group on Barsoom) although she might not actually be a Red Martian herself - just representing them (in pink). I'd recommend, perhaps, reading his 1912 story A Princess of Mars as an intro to that world.

Cain Ravenstone wrote:

If I said that she is this, then she is that

I appreciate the sentiment Cain. The only problem with this is that once a character ceases to be a figment of one's own imagination but is shared with others and is presented to the world, then 2 things happen. Firstly the interpretation which others put on the character can, and often does, differ from that which the creator of the character originally envisaged. Just ask Bram Stoker about that. Secondly (and as a result of the first phenomenon) the creation can then take on a life of its own. Just ask Mary Shelley.

I've just checked the date and it's not April the First, so what the heck is happening?

 Quite amusing, though.

brenogler wrote:

I've just checked the date and it's not April the First, so what the heck is happening?

 Quite amusing, though.

To be honest, I don't get this. What does my post have to do with April fools? This post of mine is a sincere one.

Also, please reply.

Breno, it's about a pink alien who lands in Rome - I'm presuming it's because the aliens have learnt that Rome are the biggest nation in the Iron Age and they apparently don't have any irony back on the home planet.

Cain, I might have specified flying saucer but the joke would have worked with any vessel really. Oh, except time portals - the Romans tried a "tempus fugit" machine once but it never got off the ground. It had a sick transit gloria that they just couldn't fix.

Vizzer wrote:

Okay she's not from Sarmatia or Scythia or Nubia etc because those countries actually existed. Her culture is fictional and alien. I get it. Then how about Barsoom? Edgar Rice Burroughs' fictional series of novels imagining the various cultures on Mars. It featured Red, Green and other Martian civilizations. The gladiatrix could well be an ambassador of the Red Martians (the dominant group on Barsoom) although she might not actually be a Red Martian herself - just representing them (in pink). I'd recommend, perhaps, reading his 1912 story A Princess of Mars as an intro to that world.

I never said that she is from Barsoom. Nope, her culture and country is entirely created by me meaning they are originally my own and not borrowed from others' fictional works. Still, I never said that she is from Barsoom so you are getting your ideas out of thin air.

Vizzer wrote:

I appreciate the sentiment Cain. The only problem with this is that once a character ceases to be a figment of one's own imagination but is shared with others and is presented to the world, then 2 things happen. Firstly the interpretation which others put on the character can, and often does, differ from that which the creator of the character originally envisaged. Just ask Bram Stoker about that.

What in the most nightmarish depths of Gehenna are you talking about? She is my character so no one can change her other than me. I am not trying to established some fictional character like Dracula that I can allow to be in the public domain. I am asking a post on this forum about a character based on what I want her to be. What you're trying to do is changing the original point of my post in the process which is just wrong. It's like somebody in this forum asked "how will ancient Romans react if an American gave them hamburger" then you just keep on insisting on making the fictional American as Chinese just because the character doesn't actually exist (fictional) and is only created by the forum user to be an example of Americans. Stop.

nordmann wrote:

Breno, it's about a pink alien who lands in Rome - I'm presuming it's because the aliens have learnt that Rome are the biggest nation in the Iron Age and they apparently don't have any irony back on the home planet.

Cain, I might have specified flying saucer but the joke would have worked with any vessel really. Oh, except time portals - the Romans tried a "tempus fugit" machine once but it never got off the ground. It had a sick transit gloria that they just couldn't fix.

I never said anything about my pink female character and her culture and country being aliens from another planet. What are you talking about? You are getting ideas out of thin air. I am the author of my character so stop putting some characteristics on her that I didn't say she had.
The only fantasy stuff I included in the post was a time traveler.

Also, stop insisting on her having a flying saucer when I already said that she and her culture didn't have one.

Simply put, my pink female gladiatrix character isn't from a nation or culture that actually existed. And if you're even thinking about it, she also isn't from a fictional nation or culture that I borrowed from other fictional works of other authors like Barsoom (A princess of Mars), Furya (Riddick), Alderaan (Star Wars), etc.

My pink female gladiatrix character is from a culture and nation that I originally created. Her culture and nation isn't from another planet. Her culture and nation is from Earth. Her culture and nation isn't Middle Eastern, European, Indo European, or South Asian. Her culture and nation isn't from the Caucasus, Central Asia, the Middle East, Europe, or South Asia. Her culture and nation is entirely unique.