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PostSubject: Bagpipes of the World   Bagpipes of the World EmptyMon 20 May 2013, 13:27

Mention bagpipes today and everyone, or almost everyone, will think immediately of the Great Highland Bagpipes, one of the most recognisable musical instruments anywhere and, thanks to events like the Edinburgh Tattoo, the most filmed.
Go back a few hundred years however, and bagpipes are one of the most common instruments in Europe, North Africa and the Near East, with every area having its own version.

Here are a couple of types of bagpipes which show just how widespread the pipes were. First a Piva from Northern Italy and the Ticino canton of Switzerland;



and a Volynka from Ukraine;

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PostSubject: Re: Bagpipes of the World   Bagpipes of the World EmptyMon 20 May 2013, 13:39

The Miller from The Canterbury Tales with bagpipes;

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Flemish bagpipes as depicted by Peter Brueghel in The Peasant Dance from 1567;

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PostSubject: Re: Bagpipes of the World   Bagpipes of the World EmptyMon 20 May 2013, 15:49

Nice one Trike, and yes the Highland pipes rather do hog the limelight. Crete has the askomandoura, whilst other Greek islands play the Tsampouna. In the Spanish regions of Galicia, Cantabria and Asturias the signature traditional instrument is also the bagpipe, the gaita.

Askomandoura Tsampouna Gaita


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PostSubject: Re: Bagpipes of the World   Bagpipes of the World EmptyMon 20 May 2013, 16:06

Had a quick look at the Tampouna, ID; Bagpipes of the World Tsampouna
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PostSubject: Re: Bagpipes of the World   Bagpipes of the World EmptyMon 20 May 2013, 16:21

Here we have the Northumbrian Pipes;

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PostSubject: Re: Bagpipes of the World   Bagpipes of the World EmptyMon 20 May 2013, 18:03

I've been looking into the history of the humble bagpipe, and attempting to find an answer to whether they developed independently in all the various cultures spread across Europe and the Middle East. So far no luck, it increasingly appears that nobody knows very much at all about their origins.

The first recording we have of the bagpipe comes relatively late, from the Cantigas de Santa Maria 1221 -1284 AD. There is a nice site here with lots of info for those interested.

http://www.hotpipes.com/history.html

Edit. Another interesting site on the history of the pipes in Ireland. The article mentions that the Roman army introduced the bagpipe (tibia utricularis) to Britain? Does anyone know if this is fact?

http://www.bagpipehistory.info/ireland.shtml
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PostSubject: Re: Bagpipes of the World   Bagpipes of the World EmptyTue 21 May 2013, 13:21

Good links there, ID. There are stories that the Romans brought bagpipes to the British Isles and there is mention of the Emperor Nero being a bagpipe player, but I haven't found anything definite.

The Zukra from Libya;

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The Romans did indeed have a form of bagpipe - the Utricularis. In the Praetorian camp at Richborough this image was found engraved on an unidentified stone, possibly once part of a headstone, and has been dated to the 2nd century CE.

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Plutarch claimed that Numa Pompilius, the legendary second king of Rome, organised artists into guilds. The Utricularians had their own headquarters and rules, he also claimed, as far back as the 8th century BCE. His implication is that it survived as a secretive and exclusive group (how the hell can bagpipers be secretive?) right up to imperial days. Nero reckoned himself a member of the guild according to both Plutarch and Suetonius. A legend exists among their Italian descendants even today that Caesar, during his campaign in Gaul, actually used them as a weapon. He hid a company of Utricularians in a wood and allowed the Celtic opposition to charge his own legions. At a given moment the company hopped out suddenly blowing as hard as they could - terrifying the Gallic horses and allowing the Romans mount a sudden and victorious counter attack.
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PostSubject: Re: Bagpipes of the World   Bagpipes of the World EmptyThu 23 May 2013, 10:06

A Libyan zurka, and typical of the North African bagpipe. It is said that the bagpipe tradition of this region goes back at least 2,000 years. Mmm, I wonder if it was the Romans who also introduced the bagpipe to North Africa?

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There is a list here of all the countries in which the pipes can be found, even as far afield as India.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bagpipes
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PostSubject: Re: Bagpipes of the World   Bagpipes of the World EmptyThu 23 May 2013, 11:29

I wouldn't give the Romans too much credit for bagpipe distribution, simply because as the wiki list also indicates the sheer variety in early design is staggering. They might have known what to do with one when they encountered it in a given culture but it is a stretch to give them credit for introducing it on that basis.

It is important to remember that it was basically regarded in almost all of the cultures that developed it as an inferior instrument (there are many who still share that view!). In Rome especially it was seen as an instrument of the "paganus" (rural) class - Nero's patronage notwithstanding - and indeed both Suetonius and Plutarch's association between the instrument and Nero, who they wrote disapprovingly of, might well have been precipitated by that belief too.

Had Rome adopted it and spread its use I imagine the result would have been a more standardised design, as well of course as more frequent references in extant literature from the period. As it is, the bagpipe is an instrument that largely escaped written reference right up to the late middle ages.
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Instruments of War. There may be earlier depictions, this is one from the 1580's;

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PostSubject: Re: Bagpipes of the World   Bagpipes of the World EmptyThu 23 May 2013, 16:06

nordmann wrote:
It is important to remember that it was basically regarded in almost all of the cultures that developed it as an inferior instrument (there are many who still share that view!). In Rome especially it was seen as an instrument of the "paganus" (rural) class -

Which is what lead me to think of a Roman influence, due to the many ex military men who were settled on land in areas along the North African coast on their retirement and who (and their descendants) produced a large amount of Rome's grain supply.

It could, of course, work the other way and it was North Africa that influenced Rome due to their time there, but as you say, it does not account for the sheer variety in design. Looking at the list of cultures who have a bagpipe tradition, from Asia stretching right across to Ireland, it struck me that the areas correspond with old East/West trade routes and population shifts. Yet another piece of history we'll never know for sure I suppose. Sigh.
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PostSubject: Re: Bagpipes of the World   Bagpipes of the World EmptyThu 22 Aug 2013, 13:31

Three World Championships in a row (and nine in total) for the Field Marshall Montgomery Pipe Band from Lisburn:

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PostSubject: Re: Bagpipes of the World   Bagpipes of the World EmptyThu 05 Mar 2015, 10:21

This was on BBC2 Scotland last night. I forgot about until it had started and only saw the closing 20 minutes. Will catch up with I-player;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p02j98r5/phil-cunninghams-pipe-dream-episode-1
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PostSubject: Re: Bagpipes of the World   Bagpipes of the World EmptyThu 05 Mar 2015, 15:24

I suppose one of these zampogna types is likely to be the lineal descendant of the type of bagpipes Nero played.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ASbHhwMDs
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PostSubject: Re: Bagpipes of the World   Bagpipes of the World EmptyThu 05 Mar 2015, 16:11

These have to be my favourite - note the "drooped" notes, and the harmony on the regulators - only the uillean pipes can do this AFAIK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMvBnEvuBuA


BTW - a word of warning - the word "utricularius" can also refer to one who commands a sort of raft for river crossings, made from inflated water or wine skins, so not every reference to someone using the term means an octopus wrestler.
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PostSubject: Re: Bagpipes of the World   Bagpipes of the World EmptySun 06 Mar 2022, 14:54

Triceratops wrote:
Flemish bagpipes as depicted by Peter Brueghel in The Peasant Dance from 1567

Also from Flanders - a detail from the opening page of the 1320s Ghent psalter in the Bodleian library:

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(A hare playing the bagpipes)
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PostSubject: Re: Bagpipes of the World   Bagpipes of the World EmptySun 06 Mar 2022, 22:00

The acme of bagpipes? A bellows rather than mouth-blown bagpipe - with the ability to overblow beyond the typical compass of 1 9th, (common to bladder pipes and windcap instruments too eg crumhorns)  and the "regulators" for a slow accompaniment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MxFsk4sYM4
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PostSubject: Re: Bagpipes of the World   Bagpipes of the World EmptyMon 07 Mar 2022, 10:19

That picture of the musical hare (or is it a rabbit?) makes it clear why the bagpipes were considered a baudy, lustful and impious instrument, resembling as they did male genitalia. The musician is also appropriate as the hare and rabbit were seen as symbolic of sex, lust, fertility, promiscuity and fornication.

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Demonic bagpipes serenading condemned sinners in hell, in a detail from 'The Garden of Earthly Delights' by Hieronymus Bosch (c.1500), Museo del Prado, Madrid. I wonder if the ears pierced by an arrow and cleaved by the knife were intended as visual puns on the ear-splitting sound of the bagpipes.

Another animal frequently depicted playing the bagpipes is the pig, again an animal associated with greed, gluttony, promiscuity, lust, uncleanliness and other sinful base desires.

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Doodles in the margin of the Sloane Manuscript 748, fol. 82v (1487) with the dancing jester further emphasizing the phallic appearance of the bagpipes.

It is therefore appropriate that Chaucer's bawdy Miller also shared with pigs and hares the ability to play the bagpipes.
A baggepipe wel koude he blowe and sowne,
And þerwithal he broghte us out of towne
[he well knew how to blow and play the bagpipes and with that he brought us out of the town - General Prologue, ll. 565-566.]

Chaucer goes on to describe him as a stout fellow, who likes drinking, dirty songs and rude stories,
... a janglere and a goliardeys,
And þat was moost of synne and harlotries

[a buffoon and teller of dirty stories, mostly about sin and deeds of harlotry - General Prologue, ll 560-561.]

He drunkenly interrupts the Knight and the Host and angers the Reeve by telling a bawdy tale about how a carpenter was tricked by a student (the Reeve used to be a carpenter). It's a tale all about sex and obscenities ... just what you'd expect from a bagpipe player.

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Chaucer's Miller as depicted in the Ellesmere Manuscript EL 26 C 9 (c.1420).
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