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nordmann Nobiles Barbariæ
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Mon 25 Jun 2012, 12:54
This one needs a picture with it ...
Theme: Humphrey the Cat (RIP)
Quote: "So should a murderer look, so dead, so grim." (A Midsummer Night's Dream, ACT III, scene ii)
Picture:
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Mon 25 Jun 2012, 15:02
Theme: Pommies
Quote: "eat a crocodile? I'll do't. Dost thou come here to whine?" (Hamlet, Act V Scene I)
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Temperance Virgo Vestalis Maxima
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Tue 26 Jun 2012, 07:50
Theme: Undercoat Paint
Quote: "Fie upon it! foh!" (Hamlet Act II sc ii)
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Tue 26 Jun 2012, 13:31
Theme: I Can't Believe It's Not Butter!
Quote: "These may be counterfeits: let's think't unsafe." (Othello, ACT V, scene i)
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Tue 26 Jun 2012, 22:12
Theme: Penalty shootouts
Quote: "go forward and be choked" (Henry IV Part I, Act II Scene IV)
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MadNan Praetor
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Wed 27 Jun 2012, 10:50
Theme: The Lyric Theatre, Belfast
"Do we shake hands. All come to this?"
Anthony and Cleopatra IV, 12
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Temperance Virgo Vestalis Maxima
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Tue 03 Jul 2012, 16:36
Theme: Andy Murray
Quote: "...and we,
Great in our hope, lay our best love and credence
Upon thy promising fortune." (All's Well That Ends Well Act III sc iii)
Next theme: OOO and ANT
(I do hope that's baffled you all, as it baffled me. I had to look it up when I got home.)
EDIT: And I'm still none the wiser.
ferval Censura
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Tue 03 Jul 2012, 17:12
Wouldn't a quote from Post Modern Pooh be more appropriate here? As far as I'm aware, Willie boy never mentioned 'externs' nor 'interactors'. If you've been tussling with Schiffer and Latour, I'm not surprised you're none the wiser but if you have a revelatory moment, please pass it on.
Temperance Virgo Vestalis Maxima
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Tue 03 Jul 2012, 17:59
Oh ferval, I am in despair. A brief digression from the Shakespeare challenge to talk about OOO.
It was at the Study Day in Oxford on Edward Thomas - all those bright young things and confused old things listening to the utterly brilliant (young) Dr Robert Macfarlane holding forth on "Beyond My Thinking: Thomas as Philosopher." I was fine until he got to object-oriented-ontology and actor-network-theory (what is he on about I thought, but didn't like to ask). I think Macfarlane quickly sensed the despair of the older members of his audience, and he promised not to "burden us with any more ologies". But I suppose one should be prepared to be burdened. It's made me think ruefully of the Alvin Toffler comment: "The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn and relearn."
Oh heck.
I pondered on these things whilst I sat in my car for a couple of hours in the middle of the roadworks near the Swindon junction of the M4. It was not exactly an Adlestrop moment, I'm afraid.
Any road up (so to speak) when I got home I diligently searched the net for all the OOO and ANT stuff I could find. Read Ian Bogost's blog (bless him, he seems a nice boy who's tried to make it a bit clearer for the likes of me), and discovered Timothy Morton who also seems to be an interesting chap. A faint glimmer of light dawned as I read about how this new (is it that new, I wonder - Thomas and Lawrence and Wordsworth and E. Bronte and Hopkins and others had got there long before Latour and the ecotheorists - not to mention St. Francis??) philosophy can be applied to *poetry*, but how on earth do you apply it to history? Apparently two historians, Jerome Cohen and Eileen Joy, both medievalists, are all for OOO.
Here is a definition of OOO:
"A philosophy based around objects - "things" - without a humancentric bias" (Harman) - "All object relations, human and non human, are said to exist on equal ontological footing with one another."
Philosophy is leaking into everything these days. These French thinkers will drive us all mad before they're done - that Latour man who started all this OOOing is French, I suppose? I wonder if historians, like the Eng. Lit brigade (well its older members, that is) sometimes wish the philosophy mob would just bugger off and leave us all in peace?
PS I don't really mean that - it's just my brain hurts.
PPS Good job Nordmann is away - I'd be in trouble for this digression from the Challenge. Remove this if you wish, ferval - I won't storm off.
PPPS Here is the blog on OOO "for ordinary folk" that I struggled with thismorning (still bafflled):
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ferval Censura
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Tue 03 Jul 2012, 19:15
Wouldn't dream of it Temp, why should we be the only ones to gaze in blank incomprehension at this stuff. Let the others suffer as well. One of the courses I did last year touched on this, briefly the ANT side (where was Dec, I wondered) but I managed to almost completely ignore it, nasty and mechanistic, but more on OOO with the object as an active subject which, in archaeological terms, seemed a lot more relevant and interesting.
I now intend to forget all about it for a while except that I came across OOP - suggestions please!
Vizzer Censura
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Tue 03 Jul 2012, 19:41
Theme: OOO and ANT
Quote: "Some man or other must present Wall: and let him have some plaster, or some loam, or some rough-cast about him, to signify wall; and let him hold his fingers thus, and through that cranny shall Pyramus and Thisby whisper." (A Midsummer Night's Dream, Act III Scene I)
Next theme: General Practitioners
alantomes Aediles
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Tue 03 Jul 2012, 22:57
Honour have no skill in surgery, then? - Henry IV Part 2
Work on, My medicine, work! Thus credulous fools are caught. - Othello
Regards.............Alan
Caro Censura
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Wed 04 Jul 2012, 01:05
We need a new theme from you, Alan.
Have to admire your persistence, Temperence. I am going to ignore OOOs and ANTs. Seems to be knowledge I can do without. Can there be objects without humancentric input really? Do animals think in terms of objects? Apart from natural things, objects are nearly all man-made anyway. I daresay I have this all wrong.
Temperance Virgo Vestalis Maxima
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Wed 04 Jul 2012, 07:27
Caro wrote:
Have to admire your persistence, Temperence. I am going to ignore OOOs and ANTs. Seems to be knowledge I can do without. Can there be objects without humancentric input really? Do animals think in terms of objects? Apart from natural things, objects are nearly all man-made anyway. I daresay I have this all wrong.
I think I have it all wrong too, Caro.
"Champagne corks, sailors' hats, Antwerp beer bottles, fish boxes, oranges, lemons, onions, banana stems, waterworn timber and the most exquisite flat and round pebbles, black, dove grey, veined wheat coloured."
"I come home daily with pockets full of smooth pebbles, often pearshaped (flattish), rosy or primrose coloured and transparent nearly...& in the fresh moistness wonderfully beautiful: others white and round or oval: some split & and with grain like chestnuts: not one but makes me think or rather draws out a part of me beyond my thinking."
That's Thomas writing to Gordon Bottomly, and it's that last bit that's got me pondering - how things draw out things from *us* beyond our thought. Is this OOO all about what existence really means? What is reality? What actually "exists"? Does something only exist because we "think" it - do we conjure up our reality, so to speak? I think the OOO-ers maintain that objects do exist independent of our thought... Oh Lord, I don't know. But the ecotheorists are big into OOO, and I suppose all the "Nature" poets are now being interpreted with OOO in mind. I was actually more comfortable with the other lecture - "Time and the Poetry of Edward Thomas" - Prof. Patrick McGuinness who compared Thomas with Proust. Oh good, I thought, this makes more sense - a blackbird, a bank covered with willow-herb, a hissing train, a bare platform, a man, a moment in time (12.45 pm on 24th June 1914) - all come together, and together will forever be/mean Adlestrop, a railway station in England, which will forever mean... a memory becomes an epiphany, or something like that. But that's OOO too, I suppose.
I wish I understood more. This OOO business is probably a lesson in humility. I'll ask the next 18 year old I meet if they have heard of Ian Bogost. I bet they will have. He's a philosopher, but his day job is designing computer games. Some young person will explain it all to me.
I have messed up the Shakespeare Challenge.
I am sorry.
Alan - we need another topic, please!
alantomes Aediles
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Thu 05 Jul 2012, 03:27
Theme: Spanish slugs
Quote: "It cannot be, this weak and writhled shrimp
Should strike such terror to his enemies." (Henry VI, Part One, Act II sc iii)
Next theme: Curly hair [I read that Rebekah Brooks has toned down her curls for court case; apparently curls are seen as a little uncontrollable and subversive.]
Temperance Virgo Vestalis Maxima
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Fri 06 Jul 2012, 07:50
Theme: Curly hair
Quote: "Let him have time to tear his curled hair..." (Rape of Lucrece)
Next theme: Electric cigarettes
alantomes Aediles
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Fri 06 Jul 2012, 21:52
Theme - Electric cigarettes
Put out the light, and then put out the light.
Othello ii.1.
For violent fires soon burn out themselves. Richard II
Theme: Space
Regards...........Alan
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Sat 07 Jul 2012, 03:14
Theme: Space
Quote: "betwixt the firmament and it you cannot thrust a bodkin's point" (A Winter's Tale, Act III Scene III)
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Caro Censura
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Sat 07 Jul 2012, 04:52
Theme: diesel
Quote: "A liquid prisoner pent in walls of glass" (Sonnet V)
Next theme: Meeting minutes
MadNan Praetor
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Sun 08 Jul 2012, 12:00
Theme: Meeting Minutes:
"Brief abstract and record of tedious days"
Richard III 4, IV
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ferval Censura
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Sun 08 Jul 2012, 18:28
Theme: Scientology Quote: Mad call I it; for, to define true madness, What is't but to be nothing else but mad? Hamlet 2;2.
Next topic: A bar with no customers
Temperance Virgo Vestalis Maxima
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Mon 09 Jul 2012, 07:22
Theme: A bar with no customers
Quote: "The fold stands empty in the drowned field." (A Midsummer Night's Dream Act II sc i)
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alantomes Aediles
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Mon 09 Jul 2012, 20:50
This most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this brave o'erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire, why, it appears no other thing to me but a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours.
Hamlet
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Mon 09 Jul 2012, 22:04
Theme: opal
Quote: "Indian stones" (Henry VI Part III, Act III Scene I)
Next theme: Sandwiches
Anglo-Norman Consulatus
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Mon 09 Jul 2012, 22:32
Theme: Sandwiches
Quote: "O monstrous! But one half-penny-worth of bread..." (Henry IV Part 1, Act II Sc. 4)
Next: Bunting
Temperance Virgo Vestalis Maxima
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Fri 13 Jul 2012, 14:09
Theme: Bunting
Quote: "I must show out a flag and sign of love,
Which is indeed but sign..." (Othello Act I sc i)
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alantomes Aediles
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Fri 13 Jul 2012, 19:25
Theme HP Sauce:
Come, give us a taste of your quality - Hamlet
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nordmann Nobiles Barbariæ
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Sat 14 Jul 2012, 14:25
Theme: Nose-painting
Quote: "Such childish humour from weak minds proceeds." (The Rape of Lucrece)
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Anglo-Norman Consulatus
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Sat 14 Jul 2012, 15:44
Theme: Donald Duck's trousers
Quote: "...unseen, inscrutable, invisible..." (Two Gentlemen of Verona Act 2 Scene 1)
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nordmann Nobiles Barbariæ
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Sat 14 Jul 2012, 17:51
Theme: Olympic security
Quote: "Give up yourself merely to chance and hazard from firm security" (Antony and Cleopatra, ACT III, scene vii)
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ferval Censura
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Sat 14 Jul 2012, 18:01
Theme: President Bashar Al-Assad of Syria
Quote: The tyrant's people on both sides do fight;( Macbeth, Act V, scene VII)
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Vizzer Censura
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Sat 14 Jul 2012, 19:03
Theme: bed linen
Quote: "a bag of flax" (The Merry Wives of Windsor, Act V Scene V)
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nordmann Nobiles Barbariæ
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Sat 14 Jul 2012, 19:42
Theme: Egyptian mummies
Quote: "Tut, Tut, thou art all ice, thy kindness freezeth." (Richard III, ACT IV, scene ii)
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Temperance Virgo Vestalis Maxima
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Sun 15 Jul 2012, 09:12
Theme: Alcoholic ice popsicles
Quote: "...let them not lick
The sweet which is their poison..." (Coriolanus Act III sc i)
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Anglo-Norman Consulatus
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Subject: Re: The Shakespeare Challenge! Sun 15 Jul 2012, 11:58
Theme: Marigold rubber gloves
Quote: "Gloves as sweet as damask roses" (A Winter's Tale Act IV Sc. 4)