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PostSubject: Re: On this day in history   Wed 04 Jul 2018, 06:45

Today, 4th July, is of course the anniversary of the adoption of the Declaration of Independence by the Second Continental Congress meeting at the Pennsylvania State House (now known as Independence Hall) in Philadelphia on 4th July 1776. But by complete coincidence it is also the date that two signers of the document, John Adams (2nd president of the United States) and Thomas Jefferson (3rd president of the United States), both died within just a few hours of each other, in 1826, exactly 50 years after the original Declaration of Independence.
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PostSubject: Re: On this day in history   Wed 04 Jul 2018, 22:16

@Meles meles wrote:
Today, 4th July, is of course the anniversary of the adoption of the Declaration of Independence by the Second Continental Congress meeting at the Pennsylvania State House (now known as Independence Hall) in Philadelphia on 4th July 1776. But by complete coincidence it is also the date that two signers of the document, John Adams (2nd president of the United States) and Thomas Jefferson (3rd president of the United States), both died within just a few hours of each other, in 1826, exactly 50 years after the original Declaration of Independence.

Yes Meles meles, you can have strange coincidences and although they are rare, they happen.

My mother brought to my attention that my father and two of his brothers died on the same date although of different years. I even don't remember that date...will seek for it...as I am not superstitious...and it can be that the two who later died were that intensively thinking at their brother's death at that particular date that they died too on that date from psychological effect on their heart...perhaps your two too Wink

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PostSubject: Re: On this day in history   Wed 04 Jul 2018, 22:34

@PaulRyckier wrote:
Mentioned by Nielsen on the Tumbleweed Café about George Orwell:

"As I've forgotten how to find and thus resurrect old threads, I hereby offer to the 'On this day in history' that today, a 115 years ago Erik Arthur Blair, aka George Orwell was born in then Motihari, Bengal Presidency in British India - present day East Champaran, Bihar, India."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Orwell


What a fantastic person (with fantastic I mean the informal connotation of "very exciting")
As I am so interested in social interacting in society I read a lot about him. When I have time I will try to show my personal evaluation of him.

Kind regards from Paul.

Nielsen,

started today with the Orwell

His life reads as a book...tormented person if you ask me...as all those radical (socialists)or anarcho socialists...as he joined the POUM, which was betrayed during the Spanish Civil war by the Stalinist Communists...I wrote the whole history somewhere on a forum...

I will not bore you as I had heard in France of the "Radicaux"...the anarchists...in Spain it was the POUM...
For those interested and I read it all this evening to learn once and for all where it was all about...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_Republican_Party
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Opposition
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POUM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers_and_Peasants%27_Socialist_Party
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parti_r%C3%A9publicain,_radical_et_radical-socialiste


In my humble opinion an anarchist organisation can at the end not exist as an "organisation" or it will end in right or left wing dictatorship...

And I didn't read "1984" Embarassed  Only saw Fahrenheit 451...Truffaut
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060390/

Tomorrow more comments...

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PostSubject: Re: On this day in history   Tue 10 Jul 2018, 17:01

On this day in history in 1086 the Danish King, Canute IV, was slain with some of his supporters before the high altar of St. Alban's church in Odense. He was later appointed a saint by the Catholic Church.  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canute_IV_of_Denmark#Ancestry

According to what I was taught when I went to school, the free peasants rebelled against him for imposing taxes upon them in peacetime, and for keeping the 'leding' - the fleet and army - called up for longer time than was necessary for both defense and attack in Viking raids, thus keeping the peasants from attending the harvesting.

Accidentally the king's wife, Adela of Flanders, fled to that part of the world with her son Charles, who eventually became Count of that area and was killed in yet another rebellion in Bruges 1127.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_I,_Count_of_Flanders


Edited because of factual mistakes and mis-spellings.
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PostSubject: Re: On this day in history   Tue 10 Jul 2018, 22:55

@Nielsen wrote:
On this day in history in 1086 the Danish King, Canute IV, was slain with some of his supporters before the high altar of St. Alban's church in Odense. He was later appointed a saint by the Catholic Church.  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canute_IV_of_Denmark#Ancestry

According to what I was taught when I went to school, the free peasants rebelled against him for imposing taxes upon them in peacetime, and for keeping the 'leding' - the fleet and army - called up for longer time than was necessary for both defense and attack in Viking raids, thus keeping the peasants from attending the harvesting.

Accidentally the king's wife, Adela of Flanders, fled to that part of the world with her son Charles, who eventually became Count of that area and was killed in yet another rebellion in Bruges 1127.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_I,_Count_of_Flanders


Edited because of factual mistakes and mis-spellings.


Nielsen,

excuses for not elaborating further on Orwell. Always a short of time. And again now, while it was the history of the city of Bruges...and I made already a study for Authun on Historum of the relationship between the city and the Franc Bruges...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brugse_Vrije

And now:
Yes and indeed killed the same way as Canut IV...
Our "Karel de Goede"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_I,_Count_of_Flanders


But now I came on something others that I not knew about:
a crown witness:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galbert_of_Bruges
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1017/S0038713415001177
And I didn't knew him and see now him known all over the world...
https://www.amazon.com/Galbert-Bruges-Historiography-Medieval-Flanders/dp/0813217199

Read it in all its gruesome details: the barons and those from Ghent besiege the murderers and their companions...
Someone his hands cut off but still go to his house...someone killed and massacred and shown with his genital parts in the view of the besieged...its like a novel... read Galbert's story day per day and learn about medieval war siege...
And will tomorrow phone to the arcaeological service of Bruges to ask where the "castle of Bruges" was...some links speak about the "castrum" of Baldwin V...
https://www.brugge.be/inventaris-archeologische-zone-brugse-binnenstad

and that was my evening on the Res...no time to speak anymore to Vizzer about the coming duel England-France Wink

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PostSubject: Re: On this day in history   Sat 21 Jul 2018, 21:58

@PaulRyckier wrote:
@PaulRyckier wrote:
Mentioned by Nielsen on the Tumbleweed Café about George Orwell:

"As I've forgotten how to find and thus resurrect old threads, I hereby offer to the 'On this day in history' that today, a 115 years ago Erik Arthur Blair, aka George Orwell was born in then Motihari, Bengal Presidency in British India - present day East Champaran, Bihar, India."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Orwell


What a fantastic person (with fantastic I mean the informal connotation of "very exciting")
As I am so interested in social interacting in society I read a lot about him. When I have time I will try to show my personal evaluation of him.

Kind regards from Paul.

Nielsen,

started today with the Orwell

His life reads as a book...tormented person if you ask me...as all those radical (socialists)or anarcho socialists...as he joined the POUM, which was betrayed during the Spanish Civil war by the Stalinist Communists...I wrote the whole history somewhere on a forum...

I will not bore you as I had heard in France of the "Radicaux"...the anarchists...in Spain it was the POUM...
For those interested and I read it all this evening to learn once and for all where it was all about...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_Republican_Party
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Opposition
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POUM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers_and_Peasants%27_Socialist_Party
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parti_r%C3%A9publicain,_radical_et_radical-socialiste


In my humble opinion an anarchist organisation can at the end not exist as an "organisation" or it will end in right or left wing dictatorship...

And I didn't read "1984" Embarassed  Only saw Fahrenheit 451...Truffaut
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060390/

Tomorrow more comments...

Kind regards from Paul.


Nielsen,

again excuses...too late this evening to start an elaborated reply...but I promise to...

Kind regards from Paul.
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PostSubject: Re: On this day in history   Sun 22 Jul 2018, 22:25

Nielsen sorry again...too late to tackle our Orwell today...

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PostSubject: Re: On this day in history   Tue 24 Jul 2018, 23:03

Nielsen,

now reading again the Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Orwell

I was again sidetracked by the social ideas contemperaneous to his time and also contemplated by Orwell himself and stucked by all kind of searching as for instance the Yugoslavian experiment on which I read a book now some 40 years ago...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia
And a new book that probably says it all about the experience but without looking inside:
https://www.amazon.com/Yugoslav-Socialism-Practice-Harold-Lydall/dp/0198285833

In the book that I read some 40 years ago as it was written by the theoreticus of the movement and which was sided by the Tito government because the system had failed...and he was so fair to say that the practice was quite otherwise than the theory...and I suppose everyone can guess why...
I read also in the time about the Utopian Socialism (Leblanc In France?) as I read about utopian experiments at the right side as for instance as Nietzsche's sister in the Paraguay experiment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_F%C3%B6rster-Nietzsche
And BTW when I said it on the old BBC that the sister manipulated Nietzsche's work nobody reacted and see now...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/7018535/Criminal-manipulation-of-Nietzsche-by-sister-to-make-him-look-anti-Semitic.html


And yes Orwell seems to have been oriented to the:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism


And as a side note: I met in the Orwell entries a word "kip" and I suppose it is the same meaning of our dialect word "kip"...that is a "kip" with bad name...or that is a "kip" where you can meet some ladies...or just that is a "kip" wher you have to be

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tooley_Street#George_Orwell
George Orwell lived as a tramp to gain a first-hand view of poverty. He befriended a man called Ginger in the hop-fields of Kent. They came to a "kip" (doss-house) in Tooley Street and stayed there from 19 September to 8 October 1931.[3] Orwell wrote rough notes in the kip then went further along Tooley Street to Bermondsey Library where he wrote them up into the book Down and Out in Paris and London. The library building was demolished in the 1980s and the site is now part of the open space called Potter's Fields.[4]

"came to a "kip" (doss-house) in Tooley Street "

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PostSubject: Re: On this day in history   Wed 25 Jul 2018, 21:15

Paul, I remember mentioning something about "kip" on another thread a while ago but I'm not sure where now.  Anyway, from "kip" as in doss-house we sometimes use an expression in English slang "to have a kip" meaning to have a sleep, or maybe a short sleep, a nap.  I did come across (and mentioned it in the thread I have forgotten - or was it earlier in this thread) that the Irish writer Patrick MacGill quite early in the 20th century had one character call another (who was down on her luck and had turned to prostitution through poverty) a "kip shop wench" as I suppose an alternative name for a prostitute though I've never heard it used myself. Then again, a "kipper" is an English name for a smoked herring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipper  The herring fishing trade was a contributory cause (though by no means the sole reason) for the (sometime) mistrust between the English and the Dutch in the seventeenth century.  Though this may not be the correct thread for that but I will add a link in any case.  http://www.deruyter.org/uploads/media/5acf9125b45c4.pdf
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PostSubject: Re: On this day in history   Sun 05 Aug 2018, 02:54

3.8.1888: The small town of Reefton becomes the first place in the Southern Hemisphere to get electicity and have electric lighting.  In the 2013 census it had just over 1000 inhabitants and I think in the 1880s it was only slightly higher.  It was a gold-mining town at that stage, and the West Coast where it is still relies on extraction industries, coal mostly, for its work.
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PostSubject: Re: On this day in history   Fri 05 Oct 2018, 21:09

5th October 1968 

A march of the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association in Derry ends in violence as police baton charge the protesters:

https://www.rte.ie/archives/exhibitions/1031-civil-rights-movement-1968-9/1034-derry-5-october-1968/

An earlier march in neighbouring County Tyrone on 24th August had passed off with little incident. This second march, however, was proscribed by the authorities (against the advice of the local police chief) and is seen by some historians as marking the start of the Troubles which would last for 30 years.
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PostSubject: Re: On this day in history   Fri 05 Oct 2018, 22:25

@Vizzer wrote:
5th October 1968 

A march of the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association in Derry ends in violence as police baton charge the protesters:

https://www.rte.ie/archives/exhibitions/1031-civil-rights-movement-1968-9/1034-derry-5-october-1968/

An earlier march in neighbouring County Tyrone on 24th August had passed off with little incident. This second march, however, was proscribed by the authorities (against the advice of the local police chief) and is seen by some historians as marking the start of the Troubles which would last for 30 years.


Yes Vizzer "the Troubles"

it reminds me about the troubles in France, the Algerian war and the OAS...perhaps there are parallels...and that indiscriminate use of violence...one speaks sometimes about the nowadays terrorist attacks of Islam fundamentalists...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_arm%C3%A9e_secr%C3%A8te

"The OAS was formed out of existing networks, calling themselves "counter-terrorists", "self-defence groups", or "resistance", which had carried out attacks on the FLN (Algerian National Liberation Front) and their perceived supporters since early in the war. It was officially formed in Francoist Spain, in Madrid in January 1961, as a response by some French politicians and French military officers to the 8 January 1961 referendum on self-determination concerning Algeria, which had been organised by General de Gaulle.
By acts of bombings and targeted assassinations in both metropolitan France and French Algerian territories, which are estimated to have resulted in 2,000 deaths between April 1961 and April 1962, the OAS attempted to prevent Algerian independence. This campaign culminated in a wave of attacks that followed the March 1962 Evian agreements, which granted independence to Algeria and marked the beginning of the exodus of the pieds-noirs, and in Jean-Marie Bastien-Thiry's 1962 assassination attempt against president de Gaulle in the Paris suburb of Le Petit-Clamart. Another prominent target was the existentialist philosopher Jean-Paul Sartre, who supported the FLN."


And the odd thing was although we saw it on TV and read it in the paper as it happened only a few miles from our border, that border only some 30 km from where we lived seemed a bit far a way and not taking place in "our" world. The Northern Irish Troubles were more followed, perhaps due to the better "communication" and modern "journalism"...but still it wasn't "chez nous"...it is unbelievable how one can stay in his "cocoon"...till it happens over here in Brussels some two years ago...and already that is forgotten perhaps again...perhaps better as life has to go further?...

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