Temperance wrote:

"... The history bit was indeed very interesting, but the religious discussion - all those extreme evangelical Protestants telling me what I should think - was alarming in the extreme. ..."
" ...King James Bible
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

A verse from Hosea was added to drive the point home:
 
"Ephraim is a cake not turned."-Hosea 7:8

I think that means I'm half-baked. ..."

Temp,
There's a point where we agree, I think, I don't like extremists of any kind telling me what to think, I'm almost extreme in my loathing of such to a point where I may 'love' mankind but detest its acts.

I shouldn't really comment on the King James Bible as I haven't seen or read it, other than what's been told here. I was raised as a Lutheran evangelical, whatever that means, but if my questioning may mean I'll be spewed as well, so be it.

As to being half-baked, aren't we all at - at least - one point or another?

Hi Nielsen,

And apparently being "woolly" is not what the criticism of the people in Laodicea was all about anyway - I really wish I had known that last week. Taken out of context it is a horribly distressing couple of verses, but, according to the stuff I've ben reading this morning, it's actually about thinking having lots of money will mean you are OK. Apparently Laodicea was an extremely wealthy place - that was their problem, not being wishy-washy or weak.

How dangerous all this nonsense is - and how destructive to people's genuine longing for a sane and tolerant world.

PS The correct translation of the Greek is vomit. Isn't it an awful image?

PS

Nielsen wrote:

I was raised as a Lutheran evangelical, whatever that means...

Well, I was raised a Church of England Protestant, whatever that means - or meant. But I suspect your childhood church and mine are very, very different from what now passes for Christianity.

But I need to give all this a rest. Rant over. I'll go somewhere hot and sunny next holiday - and no religion - although a bit of history would still be nice!

Unfortunately extremism in any religion is (says she stating the obvious) not nice/unpleasant - though I see Nielsen has addressed something similar above.  At one time in my working life I was the secretary to a pleasant muslim lady lawyer (her family had had to get out of Kenya or Uganda in the 1970s when the tide turned against people whose ancestors came from the Indian subcontinent).  She said - well obviously not in those exact words - that among the people she knew, while they might not have approved of ladies wearing the mini-est of micro-mini skirts and dresses they didn't compel ladies to wear the burkha thingies either. But nowadays all we hear about in the news seems to be the extreme islamists.  If one takes everything from the Old Testament as truth there were (as I'm sure you will be aware) some pretty dodgy things that went down.  Like where there is a dearth of men post-Sodom and Gomorrah, two sisters get their old dad drunk so they can have carnal knowledge of him and become pregnant (the instigators of naughty things often tend to be females in the Old Testament don't they).  And where Abraham goes to get his wife back from Pharoah - I can't remember the exact wording and I can't be fussed to look it up, Pharoah says something like (paraphrasing) "Well you told me she was your sister" and Abraham says (again paraphrasing) "She is but we're not from the same womb" - which indicates that Abraham married his half-sister which is gross.

Temperance, I gave a fairly extensive post (posts) a week or two ago relating to my stumbling across some extreme "truther" YouTube channels (and you know how YouTube "suggests" videos depending on what one last watched).  I was very silly in that I allowed myself to be side-tracked and watched some of them.  As I said a lot about it before I don't want to repeat myself unnecessarily but suffice to note there are some "truther" people who are convinced that most of the celebrities in Hollywood were transgendered shortly after birth because of some plan by an elite guardian group of rich folk controlling the world (perhaps this should be on the Village Idiot thread).  Although it was a lot of nonsense there was scant evidence of human kindness in the comments on those videos, which were made by people claiming to be Christians.  Mind you, if the assertions were true and folk such as the Pussy Cat Dolls pop group are chaps masquerading as chapesses I wouldn't mind knowing who their surgeon was in case I ever needed to get my antique, average-sized boobs upgraded a size* because the surgeon must have been bloomin' brilliant.

* Not that I would - I've seen some TV documentaries about "boob jobs" that have gone wrong (implants leaking, that sort of thing).  A couple of years ago at the British Sign Language class I was then attending, one lady dropped out because she said she couldn't afford to pay for the BSL exam because she was still paying off her breast enhancement operation in instalments.  I thought BSL might be more useful to her than larger boobs but then it was her life (and anyway she'd already had the "boob job" done and was paying retrospectively).

One of my friends has sent me an email with a quote that is apparently in today's i. I should really put this on the Rave thread, but it was in response to my distress - as mentioned above -  after I was rebuked for being similar to something unpleasant from a Roman aqueduct.


Quote from Bertrand Russell:
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.

PS Not that anyone is in the least bit interested, but here is some info about the water supply at Laodicea which is, as I said above, actually very interesting! I think they got hot water from Hierapolis and nice cold water from Colossae. But when the two were mixed the supply became a funny colour and tasted awful - mineral content or something.


The traditional view has been that the Laodiceans were being criticized for their neutrality or lack of zeal (hence "lukewarm").[6] One problem with this is that Christ’s desire that they be either “cold or hot” implies that both extremes are positive. The traditional view saw “cold” as a negative, the idea apparently being that Jesus either wants the readers to be either zealous (“hot”) for him or completely uncommitted (“cold”), but not middle-of-the-road.[7] An uncommitted stance was thought to pollute the pure representation of the faith and create misconceptions about the church and its ideals.

However, a more recent interpretation has suggested that this metaphor has been drawn from the water supply of the city, which was lukewarm, in contrast to the hot springs at nearby Hierapolis and the cold, pure waters of Colossae.[8] The archaeology shows Laodicea had an aqueduct that probably carried water from hot mineral springs some five miles south, which would have become tepid before entering the city (see main Laodicea article).[9] The imagery of the Laodicean aqueduct suggests not that "hot" is good and "cold" is bad, but that both hot and cold water are useful, whereas lukewarm water is emetic.[7]



PS LiR there is a lot of weird nonsense on tinternet (not all religious either). I'd stick to old clips from "Monty Python" and "Yes, Prime Minister" if I were you!

Temperance wrote:

One of my friends has sent me an email with a quote that is apparently in today's i. I should really put this on the Rave thread, but it was in response to my distress - as mentioned above -  after I was rebuked for being similar to something unpleasant from a Roman aqueduct.


Quote from Bertrand Russell:
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.

Funny should mention that. I was reading something this morning à propos of Brexit, which had a very similar (perhaps even plagiarised) quote, attributed to the German-American writer, Charles Bukowski:

"The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence."

PS : And I found the Laodicean water information interesting.

This isn't so much a rant as my being perplexed by something. It's no secret that I am not averse to a light read now and again and recently I read (and enjoyed) a couple of historical whodunnits by a Scots writer called S G Maclean (who puts her hand up in her notes where she has used made up characters, though she does base her stories on research). But it's not actually the content of her books that I want to mention. As she was a new (to me) writer I looked her up on Google and there was an article in a Scots paper saying that she had written her first novels as "Shona Maclean" (apparently she's Alastair Maclean's niece though she says she doesn't want to hang on to his "coat-tails"). However, her publishing company decided to publish her novels as being by "S G Maclean" because they (should that be 'it' if it is publishing company singular?) thought that having a woman's name on a book as the author might dissuade men from purchasing it. I remember reading a long time ago that the Bronte sisters originally used male (or at least gender-neutral) pen-names when first having their work published because in the nineteenth century it could be deemed iffy for a woman to be a writer. But I would have thought we were past that by the 21st century but seemingly not. I'm not jumping up and down incandescent with rage about it but I was extremely surprised to read that in this day and age a publisher would consider there might be something negative appertaining to a novel being written by a woman.

Though I have heard of men writing under female pseudonyms though I don't know why - unless they are trying to appeal to a female readership.

LadyinRetirement wrote:

Though I have heard of men writing under female pseudonyms though I don't know why - unless they are trying to appeal to a female readership.

The hoax that became a bestseller



Penelope Ashe was, in reality, a group of 24 journalists

Temperance said "PS LiR there is a lot of weird nonsense on tinternet (not all religious either). I'd stick to old clips from "Monty Python" and "Yes, Prime Minister" if I were you!"

Oh Temperance, I sometimes watch cat videos (as well as 'how to' videos).

Trike, I had quite forgotten (if it ever registered in my brain) about that hoax. The one that sticks in my mind (which I've already mentioned a while back on another thread) was the chap who started a society for the clothing of indecent animals, wanting to put bras on cows etc (though of course it was a prank) in the late 1950s/early 1960s, some time like that.

LIR, I am sure that men who wrote for Mills and Boon would usually (always?) use female pseudonyms.  But like you, I don't know why a women's name would be shortened to initials on a historical novel.  Have they not heard of Hilary Mantel?  While Hilary can be a male name, today it is usually thought of as a woman's name (as are most male names taken up by women - women change to be more like men, but never vice versa).

Thanks for your input, Caro.  Yes, there are some names which can be either female or male - like there was Dame Julian of Norwich and more recently names I would have considered male have been used by females.  The actress Cameron Diaz springs to mind.  Maybe the publishing house in question regarding my previous post feared that male readers might think a book by a female writer might tend to be bodice-rippery (is there such a word?).  But female authors (and readers) can find treacly plots as irksome as can the male of the species.

LadyinRetirement wrote:

Thanks for your input, Caro.  Yes, there are some names which can be either female or male - like there was Dame Julian of Norwich and more recently names I would have considered male have been used by females.  The actress Cameron Diaz springs to mind.  Maybe the publishing house in question regarding my previous post we feared that male readers might think a book by a female writer might tend to be bodice-rippery (is there such a word?).  But female authors (and readers) can find treacly plots as irksome as can the male of the species.

Yes,  Lady in Retirement, as a fervent reader of English literature in the time (now some 60 years ago, and in that time in Dutch translation) I had many times difficulties whit the names of the authors. You...you English people don't seem to distinguish between male and female first names
With Evelyn Waugh from which I read some four novels I knew it was a man. But overhere it was always female, during my kidney dialysis I had even a nurse Evelyn at my bed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn_Waugh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn_(name)

The same with Ellery Queen...up to today I thought that it was a woman author...and today I see it were two men...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellery_Queen
http://www.nancy.cc/2012/11/19/ellery-girl-name-or-boy-name/

And what is it now? Is Ellery derived from Hilarius or from Eulaly? I read even today derived from a kind of tree...

Kind regards, Paul.

I always thought Ellery Queen was a conglomerate name, like the publishers or something. 

In English-speaking countries now Evelyn is always a female name (unless maybe it is a family name but I think a boy named Evelyn would quickly change it these days). But many other modern names taken from surnames and originally boys' names have been taken up by parents of daughters, like Cory, Cody, Cooper, Blake, Finlay. Some keep their unisex status, like Lindsay.  But most eventually become exclusively for girls. Now I have noticed the shortened forms of names that used to be exclusively boys are creeping into girls' names, like Charlie, Drew.

Speaking of kidney dialysis, the local Lions are bringing to my place for a photo for the paper a caravan they have set up so people with kidney problems can go on holiday and not have the worry of how they will link up to a dialysis machine.  It replaces a former one made for the purpose 12 years ago.

Caro wrote:

I always thought Ellery Queen was a conglomerate name, like the publishers or something. 

In English-speaking countries now Evelyn is always a female name (unless maybe it is a family name but I think a boy named Evelyn would quickly change it these days). But many other modern names taken from surnames and originally boys' names have been taken up by parents of daughters, like Cory, Cody, Cooper, Blake, Finlay. Some keep their unisex status, like Lindsay.  But most eventually become exclusively for girls. Now I have noticed the shortened forms of names that used to be exclusively boys are creeping into girls' names, like Charlie, Drew.

Speaking of kidney dialysis, the local Lions are bringing to my place for a photo for the paper a caravan they have set up so people with kidney problems can go on holiday and not have the worry of how they will link up to a dialysis machine.  It replaces a former one made for the purpose 12 years ago.

Caro,

first of all I have to correct:

"Evelyn Waugh from which I read some four novels"   Of course it has to be: from whom. After all those years on the English language messageboards when in a hurry...and if I spoke each day of the year English...I would immediately sense the fault...

And thanks for the comments on the first names both female and male...

"Speaking of kidney dialysis, the local Lions are bringing to my place for a photo for the paper a caravan they have set up so people with kidney problems can go on holiday and not have the worry of how they will link up to a dialysis machine.  It replaces a former one made for the purpose 12 years ago."

If I understand it well it is about the red tape to organize a trip and seek for the local dialysis facilities? In our hospital it was done all by the hospital. For going for instance from Belgium to the sunny Spain. The lady from the bed in front of me did it as an example. In theory I could go to New Zealand as we had some one and a half day between two dialysses (I learned from Nielsen that that propably is the plural). In the weekend even two and a half days, so I have gone once to London and once to Paris without dialysis. We had in our hospital also many visitors from abroad for dialysis. But for the destination with a longer stay and with local dialysis I was a bit afraid of all the red tape, even if it was all arranged by the hospital...and when I was on the transplant list I had to be able to join the transplant center within at most three hours after the call...and that period has only taken three months...what a lucky boy I am...

Kind regards from your friend Paul.

Caro, it sounds like people in New Zealand are socially aware (or should I just say 'kind') if they have gone to the trouble of providing a caravan with a dialysis machine to enable people with a kidney problem to go on holiday.

Paul,  I am providing a link to a website giving the meaning of Ellery https://nameberry.com/babyname/Ellery  and there is also a Welsh girls' name Eleri http://www.welshgirlsnames.co.uk/eleri/.  Going back to when I worked for just under 2 years at the Natural History Museum in London, one of my colleagues had a cat called Ellery after a band.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellery_(duo)  .

Thinking of my time at the museum, I may have mentioned before that one of my colleagues got the afternoon off because she finished the book of records she was then currently working on.  However, she didn't go straight home as she usually travelled home with her boyfriend (they lived outside London) and so she had a walk round one of the posh parks in London (I think it was Kensington Gardens - where the Princess Diana memorial is) and she heard a child being called by his mother (or would it likely have been a nanny in that vicinity?) and had to listen twice to check that she had heard correctly.  What she heard was "Come here Oedipus" - why, oh why, oh why, inflict that name on a child.  I know we do have names in Western Europe that we have taken from ancient Greece - Penelope, Daphne etc but somehow bearing in mind how the story of Oedipus in mythology worked out I wouldn't wish it on a child, and I think it might be leaving the child open to teasing by other children.

LiR wrote:

Temperance said "PS LiR there is a lot of weird nonsense on tinternet (not all religious either). I'd stick to old clips from "Monty Python" and "Yes, Prime Minister" if I were you!"

Oh Temperance, I sometimes watch cat videos...

Such viewing is also permitted in moderation, LiR!

I do not watch such videos myself, but I do check out Palmerston's and Larry's tweets fairly regularly. Larry posts a moggy video each weekend for "Happy Caturday" which is often very funny.



EDIT: I decided this afternoon (Tuesday) to delete the rest of this message - see my new thread.

Deleted - see above.

LadyinRetirement wrote:

Caro, it sounds like people in New Zealand are socially aware (or should I just say 'kind') if they have gone to the trouble of providing a caravan with a dialysis machine to enable people with a kidney problem to go on holiday.

Paul,  I am providing a link to a website giving the meaning of Ellery https://nameberry.com/babyname/Ellery  and there is also a Welsh girls' name Eleri http://www.welshgirlsnames.co.uk/eleri/.  Going back to when I worked for just under 2 years at the Natural History Museum in London, one of my colleagues had a cat called Ellery after a band.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellery_(duo)  .

Thinking of my time at the museum, I may have mentioned before that one of my colleagues got the afternoon off because she finished the book of records she was then currently working on.  However, she didn't go straight home as she usually travelled home with her boyfriend (they lived outside London) and so she had a walk round one of the posh parks in London (I think it was Kensington Gardens - where the Princess Diana memorial is) and she heard a child being called by his mother (or would it likely have been a nanny in that vicinity?) and had to listen twice to check that she had heard correctly.  What she heard was "Come here Oedipus" - why, oh why, oh why, inflict that name on a child.  I know we do have names in Western Europe that we have taken from ancient Greece - Penelope, Daphne etc but somehow bearing in mind how the story of Oedipus in mythology worked out I wouldn't wish it on a child, and I think it might be leaving the child open to teasing by other children.

Lady, thanks for your always interesting and "entertaining?" (they translate it that way from the Dutch "onderhoudend") replies. I love them that much.

Hmm...Oedipus...I don't know if the general public know that much about all that Greek stuff...I guess they  chosed it for the friendly sound...especially if you pronounce it the ancient Greek way (or at least as we learned it at school)...oydy puss (y)...oydy my sweetie...

Kind regards from an enjoying Paul.

I'm not voting for Jeremy Corbyn now: he got a history question wrong when watching University Challenge on Celebrity Gogglebox.

“Against which city state did Rome fight the three Punic Wars in the third and second centuries BCE?”


Sparta indeed - what a muppet. Boris would have got it right.

But then again...

The puny humans over on Mustardland didn't post my Irn Bru video. Totally innocuous, but not passed by their  moderators;



or this one,



Typical. I've just checked it and they HAVE posted them. Bit of a delay in modding.

That'll teach me to keep my mouth shut....................( No it won't)

Ugh!!! I think the meeces may be back!! I have some bait from before but I don't want to put Pebbles [the cat] at risk.  I'm in a 1930s semi and the joined on house is unoccupied so they could come from there - not saying for definite they do.  Will have to do something.  I think I need a cat with the ferocity of Meles Meles' mama cat.  Pebbles despite being a big girl is ladylike - she did catch a small mouse and dropped it on  my bed - before my fall in the ice or goodness knows how I would have coped.

Unfortunately MM's mama cat died earlier this year, and her daughter is now starting to show her age and isn't as ruthless as she used to be. The new boy cat is just a fat lazy tom and not very effective, although to be fair they are both outdoor cats and I don't encourage them to come into the house. So now I too have mice occasionally coming into the kitchen via the gap in the tiles where the pipes run up from the cellar underneath. At least I know how they're getting in ... and so where to put the trap.

Meles meles wrote:

Unfortunately MM's mama cat died earlier this year, and her daughter is now starting to show her age and isn't as ruthless as she used to be. The new boy cat is just a fat lazy tom and not very effective, although to be fair they are both outdoor cats and I don't encourage them to come into the house. So now I too have mice occasionally coming into the kitchen via the gap in the tiles where the pipes run up from the cellar underneath. At least I know how they're getting in ... and so where to put the trap.

Meles meles,

"coming into the kitchen via the gap in the tiles where the pipes run up from the cellar underneath. At least I know how they're getting in ..."

Block the gap with spraying polymere foam...I have good results with that on such occasions... 
Or will you not have ventilation enough in the room anymore...here in the Flemish region...as this matter is now "regionalized"...we need for new structures now a "ventilation expert"...and that cost a lot of money...but they (the Flemish region ) have the "might"...if you haven't one...they give you no building permit...if it wasn't that I here have my roots...I would move to the Wallonia region...or to the South of France...

Kind regards from Paul.

Yes! And I can also use that in the hole around the pipes coming up to the downstairs toilet, and more importantly, in the hole through which the TV and PC cables from the sateliite dishes all come up into the living room.

At the moment, as it isn't tourist season and I'm closed for business, I'm living and sleeping in just the two downstairs rooms, along with the dog. Last night there was a constant scratching of something behind the PC and printer, and yet every time I got up it immediately stopped and there was nothing to be seen ... but then the rustling re-started as soon as I'd got back into bed. Doggy-Dog loyally stood on watch with his snout pushed behind the furniture waiting for the miscreant to show himself ... but to no avail, and even he eventually gave up and just buried his head under the duvet - my duvet - to get away from all the annoying rustling and scratching sounds.

But come Tuesday morning I'm gonna be down at 'Monsieur Bricolage' for a tin of that spray poly-foam.

Yes Meles meles that's the worst...a living being between two walls as for instance the "spouw" (I didn't find a valid translation in English) (the cavity between the two walls of the outside wall, to produce ventilation and to avoid condensation on the inner wall by the temperature difference between outside and inside)...
It seems due to the grandson that we can have a wasps' nest in that cavity (in any case he had it and had to call for the "fire brigade" (so it is overhere) to extinguish with some gas or powder...I am seeking now for holes of a quarter of an inch in the room where the whole winter from time to  time a wasp appeared and flew the whole house around..
Had once some years ago a wasps' nest in the timber classed under a ceiling in the garden...had to call the fire brigade too...and you haven't to pay for their assistance...they spread some powder under pressure with a kind of device and finished it was...
I had more luck at my parents' home...moving with a grass mover over (and I didn't know that something like that existed) a wasps' nest in a hole in the grass...when I passed the wasps came in a swarm out of their hole...I let the grass mower...and ran away...and the swarm attacked the grass mower instead of me...

And good luck with your foam...

Kind regards from Paul.

Unfortunately I don't have the dexterity at present to handle the foam stuff [which is supposed to be good I've heard] so will have to try with wire wool and polyfilla or something similar to polyfilla.  I once got rid of a wasps' nest (and I am usually useless at anything like that) with some insecticide, I can't remember the name, but my mother had bought it when she was alive and said it was of plant origin.  The wasps were coming out of a hole by one of the posts where I have the line [the washing drying line] tied - fortunately the one furthest from the house - so I chucked the insecticide down there and it did the trick.  I noticed a solitary wasp in the house on the window cill (sill?) one spring but somebody told me it was probably a wood wasp and not a stinger.  I know once when I was younger and decided to do myself up all female-female I put some scent on my hair and a hornet flew into it!  I had long hair then but fortunately the hornet flew off without stinging me.

Paul, I did some temporary work in the early 1990s in one of the offices of a local council [not the one where I live] and there they would treat wasp nests but not bees' nests because bees were a protected species and some people would swear down the phone when they were informed the council wouldn't treat bees' nests.  I also once worked in a legal office that was next to a supermarket and so of course people who were caught shoftlifting would come into our office - unfortunately for them the boss had closed the criminal department and was concentrating on conveyancing (real estate) and I remember one woman getting very verbally aggressive with me because the firm didn't do criminal defence anymore.  I offered them a paper with a list of local solicitors and their specialisms and it was actually the woman's grandson (who might have been the one who tried to take something in the supermarket) who said something about 'the lady' trying to be helpful and he took a copy of the list.

Paul, I think the space you refer to is called something like the 'wall cavity' - there was a fad a few years ago for 'cavity wall filling', having the space filled allegedly to increase warmth.

Lady I find your messages always entertaining (not the heavy stuff we are sometimes confronted with (not that that isn't also worth to be considered))...I wished I could also reply in your colloquial easy to read message style...


"there they would treat wasp nests but not bees' nests because bees were a protected species and some people would swear down the phone when they were informed the council wouldn't treat bees' nests."

The same overhere. I was once witness while on the wall of the house in front of that we had as landlord, there was a bees' nest. And our female tenant was afraid...so I called the fire department...it was indeed quite frightening...such as a bunch of grapes but with a diameter of some 20 inches...and until the fire brigade arrived I wasn't even sure if it weren't wasps...
And the firemen arrived and said that it were bees and that they had phoned a bee-keeper...and the man had a kind of bag and he held it near the bees' bunch and the whole bunch flow at once in the bag...

"conveyancing (real estate)"

isn't that the task of a notary? Overhere it has to be proceeded by a real official one: the notary...or am I on the wrong foot in this?

" the space you refer to is called something like the 'wall cavity' "

Lady that's it. In the long term I think I will learn the right English thanks! to you...seemingly I am better in writing scientific English , while I now had to look in the dictionary to translate that many words from Dutch or French into English...
I have always difficulties with the Dutch:
"huren" hire? and tenant?
"verhuren" to let? and landlord?

Kind regards from Paul.

Paul, a conveyancing solicitor is one who handles the legal aspect of the sale of property. They make the contracts for the sale, the Deeds, Titles and stamp duty for the land and all that stuff. Whether a person is buying or selling property they have to use a conveyancing solicitor.

Islanddawn wrote:

Paul, a conveyancing solicitor is one who handles the legal aspect of the sale of property. They make the contracts for the sale, the Deeds, Titles and stamp duty for the land and all that stuff. Whether a person is buying or selling property they have to use a conveyancing solicitor.

You can use a licensed conveyancer instead - usually charges about half the fees the solicitor will extort.

And Paul, a solicitor is the equivalent to what is called a notaire in France, or a notaris in the Netherlands.

Meles meles wrote:

And Paul, a solicitor is the equivalent to what is called a notaire in France, or a notaris in the Netherlands.

Do French notaires still have a convenient/inconvenient bout of incontinence part way through the transaction so that the "under the counter" payment can be made in their absence?

Ha ha ha ... yes indeed they do and I'm saying that from personal experience.

Lady in retirement,

From my previous message:
"Lady that's it. In the long term I think I will learn the right English thanks! to you...seemingly I am better in writing scientific English , while I now had to look in the dictionary to translate that many words from Dutch or French into English..."

To point to what I all learn from you and from this forum...I learn even my own language...
For instance when I sought for the bees' bunch the word "tros"; which was translated as "cluster, bunch". As from the "tros" in "druiventros" (bunch of grapes)...the difficulty was that we don't say "druiventros" but " 'n krap met druiven". Of course I had to seek then where the word "krap" came from... And I didn't find it, till I blundly put the word krab druiven on the internet...And see:
http://gtb.inl.nl/iWDB/search?actie=article&wdb=MNW&id=23762
(crap), znw. Het geslacht blijkt niet. Mhd. krapfe, krape, m.; hd. krapfe en krapfen; ohd. chrapfo. Over de verdere verwanten en de verhouding tot crampe (z. ald.) zie Kluge 188 op krapfen. Van hier ook fr. grappin, enterhaak, en fr. grappe, tros druiven; dezelfde beteekenis heeft krap, krappe in het Vla.; zie Schuermans t. a. p. en vgl. [url=javascript:;]Kil.[/url] krappe, krapdruyve, (druiventros), uva, racemus, botrus.

French "grappe": tros druiven, druiventros. And it is logical as the "g" of "grappe" is pronounced the same way as the "k" of "krap".
And "krap" in Flemish has the same meaning as in the French "grappe"...

And the English "grape" is that then the whole, the bunch and the grapes together...?

Kind regards from Paul.

"In those days Prune was looking so much smoother he changed his name to Grape". Anyone else recall that one?

Islanddawn wrote:

Paul, a conveyancing solicitor is one who handles the legal aspect of the sale of property. They make the contracts for the sale, the Deeds, Titles and stamp duty for the land and all that stuff. Whether a person is buying or selling property they have to use a conveyancing solicitor.

Thanks Islanddawn for the explanation. As I thought you need a "conveyancing solicitor", a notary (notaire, notaris). But these notaries don't do only "conveyancy", but they do all official deeds...at least overhere in Belgium...

Kind regards from Paul.

Gilgamesh of Uruk wrote:

"In those days Prune was looking so much smoother he changed his name to Grape". Anyone else recall that one?

 Gilgamesh,

now you really "have" me again...on the first sight I saw in "prune" our word "pruim" (that has in our language also a sexual connotation)
and in the dictionary I saw that it was "plum", but then further I read: "gedroogde pruim" (dried plum): prune. And what are dried grapes then: raisins?
But in my paperback Collins dictionary it was our "snoeien"...




We had a greenhouse in Ostend and my sister had learned to prune the grape vines...and I did the hard work as watering in the growing season and later in the winter blowing phosphor powder in the greenhouse against the plant diseases...together with my sister's daughter, while my sister was on holiday, we made once  "confiture" from the grapes (because we had nearly 100 kg from the greenhouse), but perhaps by mistake we ended with a "confiture" that hard that when we poured it as good as possible on a plate, when it was cold we could cut a kind of square sweeties from it...

But still you "have" me as I up to know don't catch the essence of the sentence...not even the "hidden" joke in it...but perhaps I seek too much if it comes from your corner ...as I know you could...

Kind regards f'rom your friend Paul.

Gilgamesh of Uruk wrote:

Islanddawn wrote:

Paul, a conveyancing solicitor is one who handles the legal aspect of the sale of property. They make the contracts for the sale, the Deeds, Titles and stamp duty for the land and all that stuff. Whether a person is buying or selling property they have to use a conveyancing solicitor.

You can use a licensed conveyancer instead - usually charges about half the fees the solicitor will extort.

Gil, as I said to Islanddawn, overhere, as I suppose in France too, we have to pass by the official notary, even the "agency (de agence)" which many times do the conveyancing has to pass together with you by the notary...ha those Englishmen...a licensed conveyancer...for half of the fees...I like the word: "extort"...during my life I had the experience of many such experiments...

Kind regards from Paul.

Gilgamesh of Uruk wrote:

Meles meles wrote:

And Paul, a solicitor is the equivalent to what is called a notaire in France, or a notaris in the Netherlands.

Do French notaires still have a convenient/inconvenient bout of incontinence part way through the transaction so that the "under the counter" payment can be made in their absence?

The Belgian ones too...I had once assisted  to such an experience, exactly the way you described it, but as I see MM dropped (edited?) his "rucksack" story from this morning I will also be a bit prudent in my narration...you never know that one of the fiscus is reading now our utterings among the fifteen guests now looking to our site...
"Ha ha ha ... yes indeed they do and I'm saying that from personal experience."

Someone from Paris if I recall it well for his local girlfriend from here...a warm nest for her if he was overhere...whole bunches of paper notes and I still recall that such a huge amount needed not that much paper...

Kind regards from Paul.

Gilgamesh of Uruk wrote:

Islanddawn wrote:

Paul, a conveyancing solicitor is one who handles the legal aspect of the sale of property. They make the contracts for the sale, the Deeds, Titles and stamp duty for the land and all that stuff. Whether a person is buying or selling property they have to use a conveyancing solicitor.

You can use a licensed conveyancer instead - usually charges about half the fees the solicitor will extort.

 

Thanks Gil, my knowledge is based on Australia. They don't have liscensed converyancers, or they didn't 20 years ago anyway. Possibly that has changed now like so much else.

PaulRyckier wrote:

Islanddawn wrote:

Paul, a conveyancing solicitor is one who handles the legal aspect of the sale of property. They make the contracts for the sale, the Deeds, Titles and stamp duty for the land and all that stuff. Whether a person is buying or selling property they have to use a conveyancing solicitor.

Thanks Islanddawn for the explanation. As I thought you need a "conveyancing solicitor", a notary (notaire, notaris). But these notaries don't do only "conveyancy", but they do all official deeds...at least overhere in Belgium...

Kind regards from Paul.

It sounds much the same as it is here in Greece too, a notary would be used instead of a solicitor. Even wills are written and held by a notary here, in Australia it was through a solicitor like the sale of property.

I have been unable to connect to the internet the last couple of days.  In the UK there are "notaries public" who deal with notarised documents. I think they are also known as scrivener solicitors.  I believe in the UK all notaries are solicitors but not all solicitors are notaries but I'd need to double-check.  In the UK nowadays a buyer and seller of a property have to be represented by separate solicitors [lest there is conflict of interest] though it was not always so.  Solicitors do have some rights of advocacy in the UK courts now.

MM, sorry for forgetting Mama Cat was no longer with us.

Just seen something on Sky's Youtube channel about the binary option scam [I think it's to do with selling scam shares that may go up but more likely down].  Someone rang me some days ago saying he was the boss of some company.  I said I hadn't the foggiest idea what he was on about and he rang off.  I forget the name of the company now but looked it up at the time and someone said it was a pyramid
scheme so I didn't miss anything.

LadyinRetirement wrote:

I have been unable to connect to the internet the last couple of days.  In the UK there are "notaries public" who deal with notarised documents. I think they are also known as scrivener solicitors.  I believe in the UK all notaries are solicitors but not all solicitors are notaries but I'd need to double-check.  In the UK nowadays a buyer and seller of a property have to be represented by separate solicitors [lest there is conflict of interest] though it was not always so.  Solicitors do have some rights of advocacy in the UK courts now.

Lady,

"In the UK nowadays a buyer and seller of a property have to be represented by separate solicitors"

Overhere (Belgium), we can have two separate sollicitors, but then they have to come together during the act of the selling and buying.
And they don't like that. And they don' t like that while they have to share then the honoraria, which the buyer has to pay. I did it already buying the land to build my house, now already nearly fifty years ago.
And recently, selling a house, the buyer agreed to take our sollicitor (thus in that case only one sollicitor), but the father, probably "subsidizing" the son, required, what is the right of the buyer, that his sollicitor did the deed. So we had to go with our sollicitor to that other place.

Kind regards from Paul and I hope that it is improving all with the kinesist's assistance...

In fact there are frequently three solicitors / conveyancers involved - vendor, purchaser and the bank/building society who are lending the purchaser the money. The latter pair can be combined - and doing so reduces the fee. Not sure if the BS can now suggest that you use their tame solicitor, but they always used to.

PaulRyckier wrote:

Gilgamesh of Uruk wrote:

Meles meles wrote:

And Paul, a solicitor is the equivalent to what is called a notaire in France, or a notaris in the Netherlands.

Do French notaires still have a convenient/inconvenient bout of incontinence part way through the transaction so that the "under the counter" payment can be made in their absence?

The Belgian ones too...I had once assisted  to such an experience, exactly the way you described it, but as I see MM dropped (edited?) his "rucksack" story from this morning I will also be a bit prudent in my narration...you never know that one of the fiscus is reading now our utterings among the fifteen guests now looking to our site...
"Ha ha ha ... yes indeed they do and I'm saying that from personal experience."

Someone from Paris if I recall it well for his local girlfriend from here...a warm nest for her if he was overhere...whole bunches of paper notes and I still recall that such a huge amount needed not that much paper...

Kind regards from Paul.

Addendum to the previous message.

Meles and Gilgamesh,

it is much more difficult nowadays to keep "black" money. Normally all goes via the bank and there are traces in the computers. They have the duty if a certain transaction goes several times above the 5000 Euro to warn the fisc...in the past there were "papers" from the banks, which you could put in your safe..."papers to bearer?" " a kind of cheque from a share in the bank, of for instance 25000 Euro and you could give it then to someone (in the black circuit), who could then recuperate it for his own. But that system too don't exist anymore.
And the difficulty with black money, as it is not known by the fisc, is in the case of inheritance...dear brother has supposedly received that much in black and I didn't...
Also to "come out" with your black money...you buy a big car and neighbours say that can't be from his small salary...and BTW you can buy a car anymore with cash...you have to give a bankcheque or do it by banktransfer...

And don't say now, that guy knows that much about black money and its transfer...

No, nowadays all "things" in "white", its that much easier nowadays. Whiter than white, I let it for the big ones to put their money on the Kaaiman Islands...not sure if you can trust the Swiss banks anymore or those from Luxemburg...
And even if I wish to give you a 50000 I only have to pay 7% to the state and it is all yours...and you can buy your desired car...and if the neighbours say something show them the deed paper from the Belgian sollicitor.

BTW; Granddaughter to New York this morning and landed in Detroit...how it is further handled we will hear...

Kind regards to both from Paul.

Am feeling very cross with the patients who brought down a skilled surgeon for putting histemporary signature on their new livers. Had my life  been saved by that surgical procedure I would have laughed about it - one person claimed she felt abused that her liver was so marked - but it was not her liver, was it? Someone had to die for it to be donated - where was humble gratitude for that? 
I have known a few top surgeons - one world famous - and yes, ever so arrogant too, to be honest, but somehow one  understands because every operation is fraught with hazard and not always successful so the personality that has to deal with that daily develops all manner of defences - they can be tricky people but we really do need them.  And yes, perhaps signing off his good work was in bad taste but now we have one liver transplanting surgeon less as he will only do General surgery. 

Why must people whinge so - and the press overindulge their hurt sensitivities? Snowflake society syndrome? Oh dear!

Sort of "Carve Her His Name With Pride", NHS style.

Bit gruesome, you must admit. I wonder if it has actually happened a lot? Doctors are notorious for their gallows humour after all. Could be all sorts carved on various organs up and down the country. Sort of thing old Titus would approve.

Oh heck - I feel a bit queasy now.

But why should it bother anyone. I signed a bit of paper so that pictures, and video's of my knee operation could be used and published by the Professor who did it........ provided, I insisted, that I did not get a copy in any format. It was unusual in one aspect - I'll not bore you - and probably a signed  piece and  with a patent number - who cares? It is enough that I set strident alarms off in  security checks world wide.

I've got a picture of my heart: it looks horrible, but is apparently a very nice, healthy one which is a relief.

Nothing carved on it - no names of French towns, or anything similarly Tudor-esque.

Mary was lucky she did not lose Basingstoke.

Since I bashed my arm I have a tendency to push wrong buttons.  Anyway I obviously didn't sift my laundry properly when I went to the launderette a couple of days ago and when I took stuff out of the dryer I had a melted bra.  It was only an Asda one and I'd had it a while so I haven't done for an expensive one [not that I own really pricey examples of such items].

Re: the carving of initials.  The culprit should maybe have been admonished but if there is a shortage of such surgeons maybe not dismissed.