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Dirk Marinus
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PostSubject: The sinking of SS Cap Arcona   Fri 17 Aug 2018, 19:09

It has been alleged that the RAF pilots on this mission were also told to machine gun survivors in the water.

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/01/20/wwii-nearly-39-years-parts-skeletons-washed-ashore-ss-cap-arcona-carrying-around-5500-concentration-camp-inmates/



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PostSubject: Re: The sinking of SS Cap Arcona   Fri 17 Aug 2018, 23:58

Dirk,

did all the research, only on the "internet" nordmann...
But too late to comment
Give now the links that I found and will tomorrow elaborate about the details...
Many seem to exonerate the British...and yes the Russians with the Gusloff weren't no better...
One article say that the British files were already opened in 1972? if I recall it well...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Cap_Arcona
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/why-the-raf-destroyed-a-ship-with-4500-concentration-camp-prisoners-on-board-a7702666.html
https://www.feldgrau.com/WW2-Germany-Cap-Arcona-Cruise-Liner-Sinking
https://b-29s-over-korea.com/Cap-Arcona-Maritime-Tragedy/Cap-Arcona-Maritime-Tragedy.html
From the last entry:
"On April 26, 1945, the Cap Arcona was loaded with prisoners from the Neuengamme oncentration camp near Hamburg and was brought into the Bay of Lübeck along with two smaller ships, Athen and Thielbek. During these days, around 140 French-speaking, West European prisoners were transferred from the Thielbek to the Magdalena for transportation to hospitals in Sweden. This rescue operation was actioned by utilising information from British Intelligence, indicating their knowledge of the deportees on board."

"This rescue operation was actioned by utilising information from British Intelligence, indicating their knowledge of the deportees on board."

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PostSubject: Re: The sinking of SS Cap Arcona   Mon 20 Aug 2018, 21:45

Dirk,

from all my sources that I mentioned I stay a bit sceptical...and as nordmann said, the "internet" isn't perhaps not th best sort to do in depth research from original sources...
sceptical:
for instance the "Independent" article
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/why-the-raf-destroyed-a-ship-with-4500-concentration-camp-prisoners-on-board-a7702666.html

"In turn, this has led to a number of conspiracy theories about the sinking. One such rumour claimed that important British records related to the incident had been sealed until 2045. In fact, all of the records were publicly released in 1972 after the Public Records Act 1967 reduced the amount of time they were to be kept secret – and I have spent a great deal of time researching them."

"Daniel Long is a PhD candidate at the School of Art and Humanities at Nottingham Trent University. This article originally appeared in The Conversation (theconversation.com)"
Not an historian, candidate at the school of Art and Humanities...
And he seems rather "forgiving" for the British...
And where are his sources from the public records from 1972?

Very difficult to find out what happened in my opinion...perhaps a lack of coordination as Daniel Long says...perhaps also lack of too much checking as collateral damage was a usual factor in those days...perhaps seeking to kill the Germans without consideration for collateral damage...
 
Perhaps Feldgrau has the best summarry as it only gives the facts without opinion or comments (Feldgrau: one would think a biased site, but up to my 16 years consultation not found a bias...)

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