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Fact Wizard Aediles
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| Subject: Joseph Stalin a mass killer not yet consigned to the dustbin of history Wed 29 Dec 2021, 15:25 | |
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When it comes to mass killings Joseph Stalin is in the top pile, only ceding top place to Mao, he was responsible for the death of more than 20 million people, compared with Adolf Hitler with around 11 million. The Fuhrer has been rightly consigned to the dustbin of history, but in the eyes of some Joseph Stalin is still a hero, and others consider him to be a political role model. Stalin played a major part in the 1917 revolution, which brought the Communists to power. His influence within the party grew, in April 1922, he became the first General Secretary of Soviet Communist party, in 1924 followng the death of Lenin, Stalin was appointed, his successor, and so started a reign of terror, lasting for 29 years, up to his death in 1953. Through his direct orders, millions died through execution, many more perished in labour camps. The Gulag [collective labour camps] were created by Lenin, a network of prisons and forced labour camps throughout the Soviet Union, but it was Stalin considerably brutalised them, more than 3.7 million Soviet citizens were forced into camps, many in the most remote and barren areas of the country, between 1931-1953 it is said that 800,000 were shot. The gulag population reached a record of 2.5 million inmates in the early 1950's, at least 1.5 million people died in the Gulag between 1930 and 1956, the Gulag at one time consisted of nearly 500 camps. From around 1929 to 1932, in the name of furthering Communism, Stalin seized the land and property of peasents, forcing them off their property, most of them were “Kulaks”, the richer of the peasent class, and were seen as a direct threat to Stalin's rule, many were murdered, and others exiled to collective farms, or to the Gulag's, where millions more died. In 1932-33 around 14.5 million Soviet people died of starvation in what is described as the Great Famine, Stalin cynically used the food shortages strategically, making sure that certain areas were effected more than others, many consider the Great Famine nothing short of a genocide, and blame Stalin directly. In 1936, Stalin initiated “The Great Purge”, aiming to remove his biggest detractors and rivals. Hundreds of thousands were arrested by the NKVD [secret police], many were executed or sent to the Gulag, of the 103 highest-ranking members of the Communist Party, 81 were executed. In June 1937, a Soviet military court sentenced a group of some of the most senior Red Army officers, to be executed. They were accused of working for Nazi Germany, in connection with a plot to overthrow the Stalinist regime, over the next two years in excess of 30,000 army leaders were discharged, thousands were arrested, and executions widespread. This purge was a damaging attack on the Red Army, and highly destabilising. There is considerable doubt as to the credibility of the purge, and it is reasonable to conclude that the after effects were felt in a negative way within the Red Army, when Nazi Germany invaded in June 1941. In contrast to other Allied prisoners of war,those from the Soviet Union did not return home as liberated heroes, millions of them were interrogated, about half were sent to the Gulag, and many thousands were shot, Stalin said “We have no prisoners of war, only traitors of the motherland”. Stalin continued to run the Soviet Union with a clenched fist for the rest of his life.The Gulag still held 2.5 million inmates in 1953, the year of his death.
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| | | Meles meles Censura
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| Subject: Re: Joseph Stalin a mass killer not yet consigned to the dustbin of history Thu 30 Dec 2021, 17:07 | |
| All that you have stated above is well-known and generally accepted as having historically occurred. So, other than showing us that you can cut-and-paste from wiki, what exactly is your point? |
| | | Fact Wizard Aediles
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| Subject: Re: Joseph Stalin a mass killer not yet consigned to the dustbin of history Thu 30 Dec 2021, 21:41 | |
| Instead of showing you are capable of making sanctimonious statements, may I suggest you take a look at my headline, this will help you to understand that there are some who still think Stalin was a hero, they need reminding of this tyrants record, and that is the reason for my posting. |
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| Subject: Re: Joseph Stalin a mass killer not yet consigned to the dustbin of history Thu 30 Dec 2021, 23:51 | |
| Do you really think this group of history buffs are ignorant of the evil Stalin did? I think you are addressing entirely thewrong audience. |
| | | Fact Wizard Aediles
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| Subject: Re: Joseph Stalin a mass killer not yet consigned to the dustbin of history Fri 31 Dec 2021, 10:42 | |
| Not all that view Historica are "history buffs", some have an interest in history, and seek additional knowledge. |
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| Subject: Re: Joseph Stalin a mass killer not yet consigned to the dustbin of history Fri 31 Dec 2021, 11:36 | |
| Thankyou for answering my question. So your point - but please correct me if I'm wrong - is something along the lines of: why is Stalin still revered in some quarters and his horrific crimes against his own people brushed aside?
It surprises me too, but I suspect it is because promoting the idea of 'Uncle Joe' as a father-like, harsh but well-meaning, benevolent dictator, is an image that is still useful to the current Russian regime, no? That's the Russian regime that even now is poised to invade a neighbouring sovereign state, that continues to try and silence all political opposition, and that in just the past couple of days has shut down the Russian human rights agency 'Memorial', as well as increasing the prison term (for trumped-up crimes) of a Russian historian who had been writing about Stalin-era atrocities. |
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| Subject: Re: Joseph Stalin a mass killer not yet consigned to the dustbin of history Fri 31 Dec 2021, 15:31 | |
| The view of Stalin in Russia, contains an element of denial, he is considered by many to be a WW2 hero, the saviour of the nation. However there are some in the Western world, who now consider Marxism, as the way forward. Stalin considered himself to be a dedicated Marxist, many would agree he was. His reign of terror was consistent with Marxism. In a newspaper article in 1848 Karl Marx wrote "There is only one way which the murderous death agonies of the old society, and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified, and concentrated, that way is revolutionary terror" |
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| Subject: Re: Joseph Stalin a mass killer not yet consigned to the dustbin of history Sun 02 Jan 2022, 09:27 | |
| The white-washing of Stalin's reputation seems to have started in earnest - perhaps somewhat perversely - only when full details of his atrocities finally started to emerge in the late 1980s. That exposure largely resulted from the activities of the then newly-formed 'Memorial' organisation, who were trying to systematically document political repressions carried out by the Soviet Union (when the Soviet Union was still the government). This documentation of Soviet atrocities was later greatly facilitated in the 1990s by the opening of secret government archives (now I suspect mostly re-closed) following the formal end of the Soviet Union and its political transformation into the Russian Federation. Now, over 30 years later, efforts to publicise crimes under Soviet leaders such as Joseph Stalin, have again become taboo, and while not quite seeking a return to the Soviet past, Putin has become very deeply sensitive to any criticism of it. The closure of 'Memorial' on 28/12/2021 follows a sustained assault on Russian civil society over recent years that has led to opposition leaders such as Alexei Navalny being imprisoned, prominent activists and journalists fleeing the country, and NGOs and media outlets hit with fines and closures under Russia’s controversial "undesirable foreign agent" laws. During the court case against 'Memorial' the Russian prosecutor, Alexei Zhafyarov, portrayed the organisation as a geopolitical weapon used by foreign governments to deprive modern Russians of taking pride in the achievements of the Soviet Union: "It is obvious that, by cashing in on the subject of political reprisals of the 20th century, Memorial is mendaciously portraying the USSR as a terrorist state and whitewashing and vindicating Nazi criminals having the blood of Soviet citizens on their hands... Why should we, the descendants of the victors, have to see the vindication of traitors to their homeland and Nazi henchmen? … Perhaps because someone pays for that. And this is the true reason why Memorial is so fiercely trying to disown its foreign agent status..."Such arguments dovetail closely with the Kremlin’s use of Soviet history as a rallying point for society and reinterpretation of key historical moments in its confrontations with European countries. Perhaps a factor in Stalin's continued popularity in Russia, particularly amongst nationalists and hence by the Russian government, is also that he is regularly invoked approvingly by both the far-left and far-right, and so far from being seen as controversial he is often viewed, or at least portrayed, as a unifying figure. - Fact Wizard wrote:
- In a newspaper article in 1848 Karl Marx wrote "There is only one way which the murderous death agonies of the old society, and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified, and concentrated, that way is revolutionary terror."
Indeed, though I think Marx probably saw the victims of such revolutionary terror as being primarily amongst the ruling and owning classes, ie along the lines of the French Revolution, rather than the many millions of ordinary Russian workers killed by the Soviet state through famine or "ethnic cleansing" during the 1930s. So much for his slogan, "workers of the world unite - you have nothing to lose but your chains". |
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